Islam stance on Animal testing...#

[unknown_JJ]

I swear there was a thread like this some time ago?
I agree with a sister above, where she mentioned about not agreeing with animal testing for cosmetic purposes.
However, what about in the case of medical advances? Several successful studies have been undertaken, where the experimental use of mice confirmed theories and allowed for progression.
So, I can't say yes or no can I?

Ok TY.

 

[unknown_JJ]

Yeah, Jews. Medieval Europeans, particularly in Germany, would regularly blame plague outbreaks on God's Punishment for letting too many Jews live among them. So they would go and kill a load of them, thinking that it would make God happy with them again.

Hmm..

I'm against animal testing for cosmetics, but support it for medicine if it needs to be done to save lots of lives. I wouldn't feel uncomfortable taking medicine that was not tested on animals though,

TY

as long as it was tested somehow.

What's the alternative? Or Yu don't care?

A question (or several),

Do religious rituals justify the killing of or mistreatment of animals?

One last question: Human rights or Animal rights, which takes precedence?

 

[Fishman]

What's the alternative? Or Yu don't care?

I'm sure scientists have some other methods.

Do religious rituals justify the killing of or mistreatment of animals?

I don't know of any religious rituals in Islam which involve mistreating animals. Qurbani involves killing an animal, but that is no different to killing an animal for any meal since the meat is eaten afterwards.

One last question: Human rights or Animal rights, which takes precedence?

Scientifically speaking, humans are more intelligent than animals, so we are probably be more aware of our own suffering. But then again a fetus or a small baby is not as intelligent as a human either, but nobody would want to take their life.
Islamically, humans have dominion over animals as stated earlier in this thread, but that does not mean that we should violate their rights. And mistreating an animal is very bad because they cannot speak out against it either. So I don't know the answer to this.

 

[Snowflake]

unknown_JJ;1063474]So you are FOR animal testing, in cases of food and farming?

I was about to go and cook so I rushed my post lol. What I was refering to was food growing naturally and animals which was the diet of prehistoric man. I was thinking way back before farming began. (yes I know I used the wrong terms) I'm against animal-testing.

Yeah cupping helps take away many impurities from your blood, but the use of animals to discover new things, through research may prevent any desieses from ever occuring, does this not outweigh what you're trying to say?

Toxins upset the natural balance of the body, leading to poor immunity and causing disease to take hold.

The animals are protected by law from harm during testing btw,

BUT Wow, well argued! =) TY

Animals die and feel pain from tests. I don't see that as being protected.

Fishman;1063670]

Uh, what about plague, Cholera, smallpox, polio etc? What about all those wretched, filthy peasants living in hovels? Did they eat artifical food? And what about how the fact that people rarely lived over the age of forty-fifty?

As I mentioned above I was refering to prehistoric man. But anyway, Cholera was a result of poor sanitation. Polio - contaminated food/water etc. Smallpox - emerged about 10,000 BC in the human population. One way or the other at least two were preventable.

Alcholol and smoking are not modern inventions. Smoking was introduced when America was discovered, and alcohol has been consumed for thousands of years, often in much greater quantities than today. The reason why there is a tax on alcohol is because when people in Britian worked out how to make cheap gin in the 1700s, they all got drunk and the population actually started declining! So the government had to make alcohol more expensive to stop people dinking so much.
Pesticides are not really that bad either. They may have some health effects, but imagine if people stopped using them? Food production would plummet and millions of people would starve to death.
Overeating is a modern problem, but it is caused by the overabundance of wealth. Before overeating there was under eating, which is much worse for your body, just not as morally reprehensible.


See above. Before modern medicine (and therefore animal testing) we had smallpox. We had plague. We had polio and we had many other horrible diseases. Now smallpox only exists in labs and munitions stores, and the others have been eliminated from the western world, with significant progress in developing countries as well. Before modern medicine, most people lived in horrible, filthy conditions, and they thought that they only way they could cure diseases was by butchering Jews!

Compared to the age I was talking about smoking, alcohol related diseases are modern. I disagree with people starving without pesticide use in agriculture - impossible if man ate to live not lived to eat. Again the living conditions you describe were man-made.

Allah swt hasn't only told us to eat halal food but good and pure food.

‘O you who believe! Eat of the things good and pure that We have provided for you.’ [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 172]”

You may think pesticides aren't too harmful I disagree. They not only are toxic to living things but cause number of health problems including breast cancer, childhood sarcoma and birth defects.

How safe is something that is made to kill?

http://www.wsn.org/cbe/truthaboutpesticides.html

Allah has created a beautiful natural balance of the earth it's inhabitants and their role in maintaining that balance. It is when it is upset by the hands of man that problems arise - to the extent that disease control has us torturing innocent animals for cures. I don't have adequate knowledge to argue endlessly. Nor is it necessary. But I don't for one second believe Allah created animals to suffer needlessly.

assalamu alaykum.

 

[unknown_JJ]

Ty!

 

[Aqeel Ahmed]

I read in a newspaper that some labrotories and butcher shops maybe in survillence( watched by the FBI) because the cruelty done to animals.
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