Ah, maybe this is the crux of the problem. You believe that when people insult your beliefs that your beliefs are threatened.
I don't see that. You believe in Islam. How does someone insulting your belief threaten it? Does it change the way you feel about Islam? Does it make Islam any less true to you? Is Islam in any way, shape or form actually harmed by these insults?
I don't believe that insulting a belief harms that belief.
maybe threat was a bad word to choose. try insulted, ridiculed, mock, scorn, etc.
The intent is often to rile Muslims. Surely many of those that reprinted the cartoons had that intention. Then when the Muslims called for violent measures the insulters pointed their fingers and said "look, that is what Islam is all about". So who hurt the image of Islam the most, the publishers and the bloggers, or the Muslims that rioted and the leaders that called for peoples death?
isn't it my fault that my house gets robbed if i choose not to lock the doors and windows at night? Who is blame? The thief or me?
i wouldn't blame say a Christian/non-Muslim if they got all passionate if they had their beliefs insulted. i really wouldn't. heck, i'd be pretty peeved off at a Muslim if they choose to insult other peoples beliefs as well.
And again, did any of their pictures or words truly hurt Islam?
definatley not. but should one shut up when they get slapped in the face? I think not!
Does God really need people to defend him with violence?
doing what we do, doesn't mean we are defending God. Indeed God doesn't need anyone to defend him, and certainly not with violence.
Yes, I did. That is why I have all these questions for you. I honestly want to know your answer to them. I truly want to understand the reasoning behind endorsing violence against someone for an insult. I want to understand how someone can believe they are defending their beliefs, or honoring their Prophet, by calling for people to be killed or beaten over an insult.
1) You see it as merely insult, as freedom of speech (don’t do that). we see it as something else. That is the problem; we are on completely 2 different wave lengths. the Iraqi throw thrower got tortured and put in prison cos he threw his show at Bush. Who was Bush at that time? and why was the shoe thrower put in prison? Was it because he expressed his opinion (not likely), or because he threw his show at the President? Same type of principle applies.
2) Islamically speaking, insulting Allah, Muhammad, the Quran, etc is a major sin that calls for a severe penalty (death) under an Islamic state/ruler <---that is the severity of it. In the same way justice is to be handed down to the adulterer by getting the stone And in the same way a Muslim may get put in prison for *supposedly* having links to al-qaeda (under secular laws), then again, the same concept applies. Even if a Muslim was to insult Islam, etc the law still holds. In fact the sin is greater.
im not actually sure if such penalties are still carried out withOUT the Islamic state in place, hence im not sure if these riots, etc are actually Islamically acceptable to even begin with so you can’t shout out "violence violence violence" and point the finger when it hasn’t been clarified from an Islamic perspective.
The whole point of my debate here is that all im trying to say is insulting and defaming islam isnt acceptable to begin with and Muslims shoulnt have the blame put fairly and squrely on them. So as i implied previously, it is essential to look at things in perspective.
“Violence” you keep bring this word up negligently and don’t seem to be fully grasping my explanations? either that or you are ignoring them? So, in light of the above, how is handing down justice considered as violent. if it were, then cops would get it badly, for simply dealing harshly and sternly with those who they hand cuff.
i dont know if it is intended, but you word your sentences in such as a way, that it is only possible to say one thing. dont hold your breath, im not going to say Islam is violent. it's not happening.
if you want to understand us and why we feel so moved when our beliefs are ridiculed, you should consider reading/researching about our beliefs and about Our Prophet and how much we are to hold them dear. Perhaps you should self reflect for a min, as well. Titus, do you hold someone/something is high respect? Do you look up to someone? not necessarily a person, maybe a belief. is this someone/something, one that you emulate and has been an example to you and is a foundation is your everyday life? What about if your language and/or race was insulted. What would you do?
3) you need to get to the root of the problem. And yet again i’ll ask. What is their agenda with us that they need to stir our anger?
