Islamic prof says U.S. made world better

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Without America, the UK and Russia the Middle East would be under the direct rule of the Nazis. They were not good people.

So it is not as if the US is all bad.
 
imaad_udeen said:
Without America, the UK and Russia the Middle East would be under the direct rule of the Nazis. They were not good people.
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^ It wasn't all America. The Russians also played a MASSIVE role on the eastern front in turning the tide against the Nazis. Russia's massive, and it had a massive army back then in terms of troop numbers.
 
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^ It wasn't all America. The Russians also played a MASSIVE role on the eastern front in turning the tide against the Nazis. Russia's massive, and it had a massive army back then in terms of troop numbers.
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That is true, but sad to say, the russians didn't even have enough money to feed their soldiers neither to fill up their tanks with gasoline.
All what the russians could do was to barely hold back the agressors, and that also because the Nazis weren't prepared for the rudeness of the russian winter.
 
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First of all I would like to agree with czgibson's post. I'm glad there are some people in the internet land that have not lost all common sense.

guyabano said:
My final question then would be: What is so bad on democracy? The power of the people to elect its leaders, what is so wrong on that ? There is a proof of success, as all countries in the west, who have opted for democracy live in peace.
So why not the east ? I'm pretty sure, there is a way to find a good way to marry Islam with Democracy.
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I don't really know why democracy hasn't kicked off in the east. Usually you find some sort of dictatorship or a mediocre version of sharia law (though, Nigeria I believe has gotten quite close to the original version) but democracy as it is implimented in the UK (and probably the US for that matter) is a rare sight in the East. It could be down to corrupt power-hungry leaders (pakistan has a list of these) but I don't know for sure.
 
I believe it is because democracy is seen as a "Western" product, and also because education isn't exactly easy to get in many of these countries. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate. All a middle eastern dictator has to do is point fingers at the West and blame them for the state of affairs in their country and the people will eat it up.
 
It's a bit strange how there seems to be this underlying tendency to cast democracy as inherently good and any other form of government as inherently inferior.

Not that I'm 'dissing' democracy. Look at countries that happen to be undemocratic, and clearly they tend to be a bit rubbish in terms of economics, human rights and scientific advances.

The same can be said of some democratic states. That doesn't mean democracy is causing those problems; by the same token, it doesn't necessarily follow that the lack of democracy causes those problems in undemocratic societies.

Maybe, then, any form of government is essentially damage control, and must be judged on a case by case basis.
 
To follow on your point, I believe democracy is only as good as the underlying society. If you have an inherently unstable social & political society the democracy will relflect that.

The upside of a true democractic state is that the people can change the system whereas in a dictatorship/oligopoly/kingdom, you are stuck. The down side is it is relatively inefficient and prone to gridlock if the society is divided.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Winston Churchill
 
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"Let us imagine the world if America had listened to the French and German logic saying: Give the murderers of the Serbs and the Arabs a chance for a diplomatic solution," Al-Ansari wrote. "Would Bosnia, Kuwait and Iraq be liberated [today] … ?"
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^ i read that part and felt sick thus stopped reading.


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Greetings,
Muezzin said:
It's a bit strange how there seems to be this underlying tendency to cast democracy as inherently good and any other form of government as inherently inferior.
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"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried."

- Winston Churchill

Peace

EDIT: I see Gator beat me to it with this one! It pretty much sums up my feelings on democracy, though.
 

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