Isn't Science really Proving God today?

[Muezzin]

Science vs religion = false dichotomy.

Thank you, use the Internet for news, comedy and Batman now.

I wish.

 

[Qingu]

Gravity is a harsh mistress.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Qingu;

I disagree. It's not supernatural, it's just nonsensical.

If I told you something was located "north of the north pole," what would you say? Would you say that this was a supernatural location? No, you'd say it is physically impossible for something to be north of the north pole, that the concept itself doesn't make logical sense.

There is probably some star or planet or something north of the North Pole.

The same is true with the concept of "before the big bang." It's just harder to comprehend because we're all so used to thinking about time in a rigid way.

Just because it is hard to comprehend, there must have been something before the big bang. Something must have had no beginning, or something must have come from nothing, how else could the universe come into existence?

Trouble is you can’t write a science paper by saying, particle X had no beginning, then the big bang happened.

But this lack of proof leaves all sides open to form their own opinion Muslims, Christians, atheists and all others.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric

 

[Qingu]

Greetings and peace be with you Qingu;

Peace be with you as well.

There is probably some star or planet or something north of the North Pole.

No, there really isn't. "North" is a direction that only makes sense relative to the surface of the earth. A star may be "above" the earth's surface, but that is not the same as "north." You can prove this to yourself with a globe. Put your finger anywhere on the globe. At no point can your finger be further "north" than the north pole—even if you let your finger hover above the north pole.

Similarly, the word "before" only makes sense relative to the concept of spacetime—a concept that only exists within the universe. Just like you can't go "north of the north pole," neither can you go "before the big bang." It's not a concept that makes any sense.

Just because it is hard to comprehend, there must have been something before the big bang. Something must have had no beginning, or something must have come from nothing, how else could the universe come into existence?

According to Stephen Hawking, it didn't. The universe has always existed.

Don't you think that God has always existed? Why does the eternal, uncaused existence of the Universe trouble you, but not the eternal, uncaused existence of a deity?

But this lack of proof leaves all sides open to form their own opinion Muslims, Christians, atheists and all others.

Not really, because this would ignore Occam's Razor (the simplest explanation is usually right).

I already know the universe exists. I live in it. Now, either the universe itself has always existed, or else something else—Allah, Jesus, the Invisible Pink Unicorn—existed before the universe, caused the universe to magically appear, and itself always existed. But unlike the universe, I don't know that any of these beings exist, and invoking their existence to explain the existence of the universe just moves the exact same question back to "okay, how do you explain the existence of Allah/Jesus/the IPU"?

 

[Duncan Ferguson]

There is so much wrong with the original post that it is difficult to know where to begin. I would suggest, however, that William Lane Craig and Jonathan Wells are the last people to look to for support.

An atheist is someone that doesn't believe in a god or gods. This is so clear in conception that it still amazes me that there are those who genuinely believe that it comprises a worldview in the same way that Islam or Christianity do. In fact, there is no worldview, save the rejection of those that depend on the notion of a god, that atheism is necessarily connected to.

If an atheist was intent on disproving gods then he couldn't do it using scientific means because science is clearly a discipline that seeks to understand the natural world. Most notions of a god postulate that god to be outside of nature, and often outside of space and time as well. Moreover, a true scientific theory works along the basis that it can be disproved, so not only can science not disprove the divine, but it can never prove its own findings, either.

 

[Tara x]

An atheist is someone who does not believe in god or anyone equivalent