Israel anger over Turkish TV show

[GuestFellow]

mahi does have a point. We have to expose the crimes Israeli military has committed but at the same time not to demonize the entire nation (not that I'm suggesting anyone is). I heard of many Human Rights groups in Israel that are complaining about military tactics.

 

[M..x]

And to all the brothers and sisters are saying that I love the Israelis or the Jews and don't care about the people dying, let me ask you one question. A small question, but it'd be interesting. What would you do if you met an Israeli Jew? What if he came to your house for some water and told you who he is?
Since all the Jews are murderers...

Clearly you have read tha posts out of context or just dont quite understand tha points made by the brothers & sisters on this forum... So let me clarify InshAllah...
Our posts are referring to tha evil Zionist regime, tha same evil people who are bombing and killing our Muslim brother's & sisters in their hundreds & thousands, who are literally wiping away nations... Are we so quick to forget what they did to Lebanon?
& To your question... First of all, where did we make referance to tha whole of tha Jewish nation? Thas like saying all Muslims are terrorists... =S. We are not here to discriminate nor incite hatred towards any faith. Any good hearted individual using their brain, whether that be Jewish/Christian or Muslim, would regard Israel's attack on Gaza a crime and simply wrong. & If you don't accept that, its time you lifted tha veil from your eyes.

 

[GuestFellow]

I'm certain that the Muslims on this forum don't hate Jews. We are against Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact some Muslims and Christians are Zionists. Some Jews are against Zionism. Zionism is a political ideology which has created many problems in the Middle East. Just thought I should clear that up...

 

[mahi]

I am typing this as I was in the middle of this massive post arguing and whatnot and decided to delete that.

So I'll make it simple as I don't want to go into that, and I hope I have done the right thing. My original post is against the showing of Israelis as murders is the right thing to do. Many of you have said I am blinded and whatnot. That's not the point, the point is whether showing Israelis as murderers is right or wrong. Many of you are taking it as being either a denial of what Israel did and is doing is wrong.

The point is whether by not accepting a request by Israel to remove a program, has the better thing been done? Yeah, me and you might feel good because it is a true depiction. But that's not what its about. You need to move forward, and thats not by promoting hate. Yeah it true what they do. So you're gonna solve it by trying to show everyone what they do? That'll lead to more of us v them.

Too many of us are trying to get justice for those that are being killed, and would be more than glad to fill part of that with satisfaction from these films. But do you not realise its not about getting justice since it still occurs? Its about doing something. Not going around showing other people others murders as that solves NOTHING. Its not the program thats the problem, its the denial to remove it. Its not going to help anything. Its about using Islam and peace to help. You can create more tension but that leads to more conflict.

You all want to do something. Ask yourself this and answer me, is anything good going to come out of this that will lead to less of our brothers and sisters dying? Lead to a better life for that 5 year old Palestinian in 10 years? If he's still around, that is. I'm just trying to make a small point based on basic manners that I learnt from Islam, about helping those who need it and not attacking them more. If it is seen that muslims will look down upon even small things like this, then trust me, there is much more hope for understanding and peace.

 

[GuestFellow]

The point is whether by not accepting a request by Israel to remove a program, has the better thing been done? Yeah, me and you might feel good because it is a true depiction. But that's not what its about. You need to move forward, and thats not by promoting hate. Yeah it true what they do. So you're gonna solve it by trying to show everyone what they do? That'll lead to more of us v them.

Too many of us are trying to get justice for those that are being killed, and would be more than glad to fill part of that with satisfaction from these films. But do you not realise its not about getting justice since it still occurs? Its about doing something. Not going around showing other people others murders as that solves NOTHING. Its not the program thats the problem, its the denial to remove it. Its not going to help anything. Its about using Islam and peace to help. You can create more tension but that leads to more conflict.

You all want to do something. Ask yourself this and answer me, is anything good going to come out of this that will lead to less of our brothers and sisters dying? Lead to a better life for that 5 year old Palestinian in 10 years? If he's still around, that is. I'm just trying to make a small point based on basic manners that I learnt from Islam, about helping those who need it and not attacking them more. If it is seen that muslims will look down upon even small things like this, then trust me, there is much more hope for understanding and peace.

Asslamu Aliakum.

We are not creating conflict here. We are presenting the truth. It is a fact Israel military uses excessive force against civilians. The main problem is the media does not present the war crimes Israel has committed until very recently. It has been sixty years and no one has question Israeli military tactics...otherwise they would have stopped killing civilians.

Many Human Rights groups have argued that Israel is committing war crimes yet Israeli government fails to listen.

The problem is no one is going to listen. For the past sixty years not much has been done. The majority of the media keeps on distorting the truth and many people do not question what they see on the news. We need the media to present the truth for a change.

 

[mahi]

So refusing a request by the Israelis to remove the program will solve what? Make the Israeli government listen?

 

[GuestFellow]

So refusing a request by the Israelis to remove the program will solve what? Make the Israeli government listen?

Nope. The Israeli government will never listen but hopefully people around the world will get to see the crimes Israel has committed. International pressure is what I'm talking about. If other countries can put pressure on the Israeli government to stop committing war crimes maybe then we can see progress.

 

[mahi]

Nope. The Israeli government will never listen but hopefully people around the world will get to see the crimes Israel has committed. International pressure is what I'm talking about. If other countries can put pressure on the Israeli government to stop committing war crimes maybe then we can see progress.

Walaikumasalam

Never as in never?

So good will come out of pressurising?

 

[GuestFellow]

Walaikumasalam

Never as in never?

So good will come out of pressurising?

Salaam.

Well it has been sixty years and Israel continues to deny all war crimes allegations. Therefore, I get the feeling in the near future the Israeli government will refuse to listen. I doubt they shall make swift radical changes to their views on the current conflict.

Pressuring a country to stop using disproportionate military force against civilians. The more people that are aware of the issue the more can be done.

 

[mahi]

The more people that are aware, the more can be done. How so? Again, going off the point slightly. Its not about raising awareness thats the topic here. The media did more than enough of that especially during things like the killing in at the beginning of the year. The point, again, is whether saying that to show Israelis as murderers is the right way of doing things.

And yeah, you can pressurise them. But what's going to happen? Nothing. You can pressurise as much are you want, they may ease a little bit, but eventually it'll go down to boiling point and nothing will happen. Why? Because no country in their right mind would engage Israel (apart from the Islamic countries). There are several reasons, but one being that no one would go to war with hopes of victory against a country with nuclear warheads.

I'm not going to argue in this thread any more as its clear what many think. I'll just leave with one last point. Generally people would say refusing something (justified or not), or pressurising is bad. It leads to more bad. People would say agreeing to something (whether its good for you or not) is the good thing and helping the misled is the good thing.It leads to more good.
And nothing good is built on the bad. Maybe initially it may, but everything is down to Allah.

 

[GuestFellow]

The more people that are aware, the more can be done. How so?

Well firstly when people are more aware of injustice taking place people complain to the government. The more people who complain to the government the government will act. These are pressure groups.

Again, going off the point slightly. Its not about raising awareness thats the topic here. The media did more than enough of that especially during things like the killing in at the beginning of the year. The point, again, is whether saying that to show Israelis as murderers is the right way of doing things.

I haven't watched it. But...

Just to make clear, this show is a love story in Palestine, A life in Palestine. It's not an documentary orsomething.

So it's not simply a serie showing only deaths all around the place.

It sounds like a story based on true events. I doubt it's soul purpose was to show Israelis as murderers.

And yeah, you can pressurise them. But what's going to happen? Nothing. You can pressurise as much are you want, they may ease a little bit, but eventually it'll go down to boiling point and nothing will happen. Why?

We are not entirely sure about that. No one knows what can happen in the future you see. They may stop using aggressive military force or they may not. We will never know until we try.

Because no country in their right mind would engage Israel (apart from the Islamic countries). There are several reasons, but one being that no one would go to war with hopes of victory against a country with nuclear warheads.

When I mean pressure, it does not involve war. I believe the UN has accused Israel of committing war crimes. There are some countries that do critque Israel.

I'm not going to argue in this thread any more as its clear what many think. I'll just leave with one last point. Generally people would say refusing something (justified or not), or pressurising is bad. It leads to more bad. People would say agreeing to something (whether its good for you or not) is the good thing and helping the misled is the good thing.It leads to more good.
And nothing good is built on the bad. Maybe initially it may, but everything is down to Allah.

Pressure can lead to good too. For example in the UK there was pressure from Animal Right groups to stop the killings of foxes for the sake of sports.
This is simply presenting the truth. Presenting the truth can lead to good and bad things.