Israel created hamas

[HKabdullah]

Whether or not Palestine would have been a separate state (during the carving of Muslim lands by the colonial Europeans) had the Israeli state not been formed is not significant. Palestine, for most of it's Muslim-ruled history, was what today we might call a province, if that, of larger Muslim Kingdoms or Islamic Caliphates (as anyone who is familiar with its history knows). It was never a separate Kingdom or country under Muslim rule. Many times, it was under the administration of the province of Egypt or Syria, who ever was ruling the province at the time.

However, what is significant is the rights of the Palestinians under the Isreali's now and the rights of the Palestinians under their various Muslim rulers. The difference is obvious. The Israeli's treat them inhumanely and without rights. They kill women, children, and the elderly. They restrict them in their commerce and their livelihood in order to keep them subjugated. They destroy their places of worship and their schools. They destroy their agriculture and steal their property. They restrict them from moving freely in Allah's land.

On the other hand, the first Muslim to conquer Palestine from the Christians, was Umar (Radi Allahu 'Anhu). When Umar sent Amr bin Al-As (Radi Allahu 'Anhu) and his army to Jerusalem, the Christians resisted. But when Abu Abuidah (Radi Allahu 'Anhu) joined him with his army, the besieged Christians became truly disheartened and, knowing the readiness of the Muslims to make peace, accepted negotiations. On top of this, they put out an outlandish demand: that Umar (Radi Allahu 'Anhu), the leader of the believers, himself, come to the city for the peace negotiations. This great and merciful companion of the Messenger sallallahu 'alayhi wasalaam preferred peace over havoc and destruction. Under their previous Christian rulers, both Jews and some Christians sects (which were considered heretics on the basis of theological differences) were persecuted and tortured. Umar, prepared only with a bag full of barley, a camel, and a companion. set out to Jerusalem and I will note several things in the agreement he wrote: That he gauranteed peace of life and property for all it's inhabitants, peace to their church, cross, sick, healthy and to followers of all religions; that no cross be desecrated, no church be used as residence or damaged, and perfect safety for those who wished to leave until they reached a protected place. The people of Jerusalem, hastily opened the doors of the city on the spot.

When the Muslims under the leadership of Salahuddin Ayyubi reconquered Jerusalem from the Christians in 588 A.H., not a drop of Christian blood was spilled anywhere. On this, every Christian household in Europe clamored greatly over their ignonimous defeat until the armies of Europe led by Philip of France, Richard the Lion-hearted emperor of England, and Frederick of Germany joined together to finally wipe out all traces of Islam. But Salahuddin defeated them with his small army in hundreds of battles until he shattered their ideas. Even then, he forgave his enemies and allowed them to return for christian pilgrimages. On the other hand, when they had conquered it in 490 A.H., they let rivers of blood flow in Jerusalem, sparing none of it's inhabitants--children, women and elderly; neither Muslim, Jew, nor Christian.

I mention how the Christians treated the Palestinians for comparison because when the Muslims reconquered these areas, they gave rights to all inhabitants despite what the Christians did and continued to do. In stark contrast, the Israeli's are not giving these rights to the Palestinians and I disagree with that despite what wrongs Hamas might be doing to them. This is no way a piece on supporting Hamas, as I strongly disagree with them. This is a piece on giving the Palestinians their RIGHTS.


Sources:

1. The History of Islam (V.1.); p.354-357; Akbar S. Najeebabadi.
2. Western Civilizations (V.1.); p.247-268, p.297-306, p.416-420; Judith G. Coffin, Robert C. Stacey.
3. The History of Islam (V.3); p.267-268, p.353-356; Akbar S. Najeebabadi.

 

[sister herb]

Back to this day;

How peacefull zionist troops are treating Palestinians in the "moderate" West Bank; killing and kidnapping them (yesterday zionist occupy soldiers beated to death Palestinian man at al-Khalil, illegal settler shoot young child to death). What is different how they treat Palestinians in the "extremist" Gaza Strip?

Nothing.

imsad

 

[Najm]

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

From the other thread

Yay!!! I wonder what happened With 1.5 million in Gaza and 2.5 million in the West Bank? Well lets see....

Hamas was chosen democratically to represent Palestinians in the 2006 Parliamentary elections. Hamas was able to secure for itself more than the minimum required 50% of seats in a 78%-turn-out-election that was described as fair and clean by observers.

As Guardian states...

"Democrats will rightly applaud the 78% turnout in Wednesday's elections to the Palestinian parliament, which were remarkably fair, free and peaceful. George Bush and Tony Blair, who set such store by promoting democracy in Iraq and (selectively) elsewhere in the Middle East, should be delighted. The only problem is the result: preliminary figures show a stunning victory for the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas"

All we should be saying is.....

All hail Israel: Champions of democracy and justice (!)

FiAmaaniAllah

 

[Vito]

That's an interesting scenario: imagine what the world would be like if Israel never formed.

I'm sure there would of been problems no matter where they got sent to

 

[sister herb]

That's an interesting scenario: imagine what the world would be like if Israel never formed.

Lets imagine:

Matter to think: "What if Israel Had Never Been Created?"
By William Hughes


"What would the world look like, if in 1948, the state of Israel hadn't been created? Unfortunately, President Harry S. Truman, under the "influence of the Zionists, gave his endorsement to that violence-inspiring project. Since that time, life for the Palestinians has become a hell-on-earth under the heel of Israel's brutal Death-Mayhem-Occupation Machine. John Lennon said, "Imagine there's no countries. Okay, let's imagine: There is no Israel!"



1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.

2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.

3. Oil would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.
4. There would have been no 9/11.

5. There would be no USA Patriot Law.

6. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.

7. The Israeli Lobby's "unmatched power over the U.S.' foreign policy, for over four decades, would not have existed. (Its support for the Iraqi War was deemed by the experts to be critical)

8. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, at all, to help, (along with other "Special Interests"), to push the U.S. into an illegal war on Iraq.

9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No Clean Break document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.)

10. The Zionist fink, Jonathan Pollard, wouldn't be in prison for stealing U.S. military secrets and hawking them to Israel.

11. The Three Million-Plus Palestinians (Now Over 15 Million dispersed Around the World), who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF), would instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, a Hamas organization.

12. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population.

13. Rachel Corrie of Olympia, WA, would be alive and well.

14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Guantanamo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The 655 thousand -and Increasing- innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.)

15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue "No. 1. [10] Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending "Israel's security".

16. If there was no Israel, then the "Five Dancing Israelis on 9/11 wouldn't have been arrested. They were nailed after "Celebrating in NJ, while watching the Twin Towers collapsed.

17. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the ultra-greedy interests of the Zionist Cartel.

18. The 34 Americans onboard the USS Liberty, who were slaughtered by the IOF, on June 8, 1967, would be alive today; and the 174 others who had suffered injuries that day would not have had to endure their horrific experiences. The shame the U.S. carries for not having quickly defended the men of the Liberty, and retaliated against the Israelis for their deliberate attack on the vessel, would have been avoided.

19. On June 13, 2006, the IOF killed ten Palestinians, including three medical workers and two children, in the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, labeled the missile attack an example of "State Terrorism" Only God knows how many Palestinians the Israelis have actually wasted since 1948; or exactly how many refugees it has created, or how many homes, a la Oliver Cromwell, the IOF have demolished. None of this would have been possible without the dubious "State of Israel.

20. Paul Bremer, a coat holder for Henry Kissinger, would have never been appointed Viceroy for an Occupied Iraq. No Israel. No Iraqi War. No Zionist Bremer as Viceroy of Iraq.

21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a "Special Counsel to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous "Magic Bullet Theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, AKA, "Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald's murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky's National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK's killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK's death, Israel's nuclear weapons program, which he had opposed, went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically.

22. There would have been no reason for a French Ambassador to refer to Israel as "That ****ty Little Country. In fact, the Jews of the world would have been liberated to fulfill their deepest spiritual quest, as embodied in their religion - Judaism. According to the highly respected Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Yisroel Weiss, "Zionism has hijacked Judaism. The courageous Rabbi insists that, "Zionism creates anti-Semitism, And we know Zionism is the root cause for the pain, suffering and bloodshed of the Jewish people and, they, (the Zionists), are the greatest factory of anti-Semitism worldwide, Judaism and Zionism is not one and the same. They are diametrically opposite. We should not be mistaken one for the other. And, we shouldn't be responsible for the actions of what the Zionists do. Now, another of the problems that emanate actually from the Zionist Movement is the fact that they are encroaching upon the rights of the Palestinian people, the indigenous people, who are living there. And, this is terribly wrong. It is against every concept of the Torah. So, whatever they are doing is totally wrong!

23. Thousands of Israelis have died attempting to build a nation in a land, Palestine, which belonged to another people, the Palestinians. Their deaths would have been avoided.

24. The widespread spying on Americans, without a court order, by operatives of the Bush-Cheney Gang, would have never happened. (No Israel. No 9/11. No spying on U.S. citizens.)

25. On April 4, 2003, a European Union (EU) poll named Israel as the "Greatest Threat to World Peace" On June 27, 2006, the IOF proved the EU right by reoccupying Gaza, savagely terrorizing the civilian population, blowing up their electric/water generating facilities, conducting a mass arrest of their elected officials, and also, without just cause, provoking the Syrians. In response to the repeated shelling by the IOF of Gaza, Israel's Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, wisecracked, "Nobody dies from being uncomfortable! When he addressed a Joint Session of the U.S. Congress, on May 24, 2006, Olmert received 38 breaks of applause and 18 standing ovations from that entity of mostly lapdogs. This is also the same Israeli leader, who, paraphrasing George Orwell's "Animal Farm, said that he had a "Deep regret about the effects of some IOF's operations which had killed 14 innocent Palestinians in just nine days, but that the lives of Israeli citizens were Even More Important"

26. Finally, if there wasn't a Zionist-created Israel, there also wouldn't be any need for a commentary like this one!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If Israel hadn't been created Palestine would be an infertile desert belonging to Jordan and Egypt..