Israel 'has 150 nuclear weapons'

[aadil77]

I swear I posted this a week ago

edit: yep, but two days ago http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134267067-israel-has-150-nuclear-weapons.html

 

[Layla454]

Its more like over 200

 

[aadil77]

I would say Israel's strategy of keeping silent on nukes when it is generally agreed they do have nukes is working better than Hussein's strategy of pretending to have WMD's when he didn't anymore.

Of course, Israel would not want its enemies to know how many nukes they have, which is why they aren't likely to be happy with Jimmy. Even if Carter is using secret information he got from a briefing when he was President, it is probably a CIA estimate. We all know how accurate those can be

In fact, it is possible Carter is violating US law by releasing information of this type as the US doesn't want Israel to know how good their information is on the Israeli nuclear program (yes, the US spies on Israel and Israel spies on the US).

Why would israel keep it a secret from the U.S? they must have told em theirselves, they haven't got nothing to hide , as all israeli weapons are american anyway

 

[Keltoi]

Large nuclear stockpiles are built primarily in the case of large nuclear exchanges. The countries most likely to face such an incident are the U.S., Great Britain, Russia, or China. I suppose Israel is preparing for some possible exchange with China or Russia.

 

[Keltoi]

Why would israel keep it a secret from the U.S? they must have told em theirselves, they haven't got nothing to hide , as all israeli weapons are american anyway

Most Israeli weapons are made in Israel, the most obvious example being their tank design, which in many ways outclasses U.S. tank designs.

 

[MTAFFI]

Will we ever see real peace in our lifetime?

when we die..

 

[aadil77]

Most Israeli weapons are made in Israel, the most obvious example being their tank design, which in many ways outclasses U.S. tank designs.

What about all the fighter jets f16's f15's, and guns, all those m16's, m4 carbs, same rocket launchers etc

they look like a another american army

 

[Air Jordan]

I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole subject. I do know these facts:

Yes to the first part...no to the second.

1. The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.

That is a stretch. The US built a toy 5 megawat reactor (enough for about 50,000 lightbulbs) Not big enough to produce plutonium and supplied only with Uranium from the US. This reactor is no longer operational.

2. Iran ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970, and since February 1992 has allowed the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities.

Sort of. Iran built secret uranium enrichement facilities (clearly against the NPT), concealed them from the IAEA, then the IAEA found out (probably from an Iranian insider). Oops.

3. Iranian officials have little confidence in the international community because of its behavior during the 1980s Iran-Iraq war.

I think that pretty much goes both ways.

So, from what I can tell, we helped Iran build it.

Nope. Absolutely not. Iran signed a contract for the Germans to build the Busheir reactor. At the time of the Revolution, the Germans stopped building the reactor and the French refused to supply uranium.

Later, the Iranians contracted with the Russians to build one of their design inside the containment dome started by the Germans. I believe that Busheir one is now operating intermittently but there is now a problem with the uranium supply as the Russians insisted they supply the uranium fuel and take all the spent fuel back to Russia as a security precaution.

They agreed to sign the treaty in 1970. They got into an argument with us (1980s Iran-Iraq war). Then we decided they couldn't have it. Gee... sounds like we rule the whole world, lol. We did that to Saddam Hussein too, didn't we? We took his side in the Iran-Iraq war but when he didn't behave the way we wanted, we handed him over to be hung?

I would say taking over an embassy and keeping the diplomatic personal hostage for more than 1 1/2 yrs is a bit more than an "argument". The French and the Germans, who were the planned suppliers to Busheir backed out. They too could see the crazy writing on the wall. Even the Russians, who walk around London putting Polonium in people's tea, have decided the mullahs are a little kooky. Real shame about Hussein, though, the good, they die young.

You know, far be it for me to decide on these issues, but I have to agree with Osama bin Laden here when it comes to U.S. involvement in the Middle East because the United States is really schizophrenic. They NEVER really help. So, let me see if I have their argument squared here. They think that because a government that no longer exists signed a treaty, the new government has to keep it? But Israel doesn't because they would never sign it? And they're America's favorite??? Hahahahahahaha! Man, do I hate my government!

The Ninth Scribe

Well, it seems you hate every US government going back 50 years, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter (he suspended all trade with Iran), certainly Reagan and most definitely Bush. In fact, you hate such a broad array of US governments, one might deduce that what you really hate is the US itself.

BTW, the whole idea of the NPT is to permit nuclear power plants in signatory nations in exchange for lifetime inspection to prevent diversion of spent fuel for weapons. That is what "Non-Prolferation" means. If every nation could simply expunge their NPT treaty obligations willy nilly then it wouldn't work very well would it?

Israel did not ask permission. Neither did Pakistan or India, BTW.

 

[Air Jordan]

But they did bomb Iraq's nuclear development program in the 80's (which was in violation of several other treaties). So they think it's OK for them to have 'm but not for others, I'd say that's a double standard after all.

I am not sure about this but quite possibly a formal state of war still existed between Iraq and Israel at the time. Iraqi tank units attacked Israel in the Yom Kippur war and I dont think there was ever a formal peace treaty as with Egypt.

And, yes, Israel desires that Arab states which have tried to erase it from the map a few times not have nukes. That is called national defence. Like I said, you want to take away their nukes, you are free to try. I couldn't care less. Just leave me out of it. Good luck to you. You will need it.

Wow...I just realized I have a negative reputation. That hurts. That hurts real bad.

 

[Trumble]

they look like a another american army

Israel is now the world's fourth largest weapons exporter and make far more of their own kit than most other countries. But never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, hmm?

 

[Ayoub]

Israel is now the world's fourth largest weapons exporter and make far more of their own kit than most other countries. But never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, hmm?

Got some proof to back that up? :statisfie

 

[Izyan]

I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole subject. I do know these facts:

1. The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.

2. Iran ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970, and since February 1992 has allowed the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities.

3. Iranian officials have little confidence in the international community because of its behavior during the 1980s Iran-Iraq war.

So, from what I can tell, we helped Iran build it. They agreed to sign the treaty in 1970. They got into an argument with us (1980s Iran-Iraq war). Then we decided they couldn't have it. Gee... sounds like we rule the whole world, lol. We did that to Saddam Hussein too, didn't we? We took his side in the Iran-Iraq war but when he didn't behave the way we wanted, we handed him over to be hung?

You know, far be it for me to decide on these issues, but I have to agree with Osama bin Laden here when it comes to U.S. involvement in the Middle East because the United States is really schizophrenic. They NEVER really help. So, let me see if I have their argument squared here. They think that because a government that no longer exists signed a treaty, the new government has to keep it? But Israel doesn't because they would never sign it? And they're America's favorite??? Hahahahahahaha! Man, do I hate my government!

The Ninth Scribe

We took both sides in Iran-Iraq war. The philosophy the US had at the time that if they destroyed each other it would have been a good thing. I don't agree with this policy. As for the NPT, you are right the program was started in the 50's and scrapped when the Shah was kicked out. The US is under no obligation to help anyone but itself. The problem Iran has is that it was developing a nuclear program without inspection as specified in the NPT for a number of years. To this day the IAEA says that Iran is not turning over all the documents and are blocking them from important sites. Read the report that was put out a couple of days ago. Pakistan didn't sign the NPT either should we forcibly remove their nukes too? I mean if we are gonna take them away from Israel they should go in Pakistan right?

 

[Izyan]

Got some proof to back that up? :statisfie

Galil
Tavor TAR-21
Uzi submachine gun
Micro Uzi
Negev
Baby Eagle/Jericho 941
Merkava Mk II
Merkava Mk III
Merkava Mk IV
MDT David
Saar 4
Saar 4.5
Saar 5

Amongst others are all Israeli developed and made and exported all over the word. The Galil is one of the best rifles made in the world.

 

[Trumble]

Got some proof to back that up? :statisfie

Yes


"ISRAEL has become the world's fourth largest weapons exporter, shipping out arms worth more than $US4 billion ($4.58 billion) so far this year, the defence ministry says.
Only the United States, Russia and France export more arms than Israel, said the ministry's director general Pinchas Bucharis.

New legislation to come into effect by the end of December will tighten control of Israeli companies and agents that sell arms or security-related equipment.
Israel's defence ministry is bombarded with around 5000 requests for export authorisation each year, and around 70,000 requests to renew permits to export weapons or security-related material, Bucharis said.

The United States is the biggest buyer of Israeli arms, followed by Asian countries, Europe and Latin America."

 

[Air Jordan]

The United States is the biggest buyer of Israeli arms, followed by Asian countries, Europe and Latin America.

Hey. You guys had it backward all this time. You need to start agitating for Israel to stop supporting the US. Then, when that happens, you can expand out from Dearborn, perhaps even take back Detroit.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

We took both sides in Iran-Iraq war. The philosophy the US had at the time that if they destroyed each other it would have been a good thing. I don't agree with this policy. As for the NPT, you are right the program was started in the 50's and scrapped when the Shah was kicked out. The US is under no obligation to help anyone but itself. The problem Iran has is that it was developing a nuclear program without inspection as specified in the NPT for a number of years. To this day the IAEA says that Iran is not turning over all the documents and are blocking them from important sites. Read the report that was put out a couple of days ago. Pakistan didn't sign the NPT either should we forcibly remove their nukes too? I mean if we are gonna take them away from Israel they should go in Pakistan right?

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I had often speculated that the U.S. were behaving like war lords in that they seemed to be profiting from weapons sales and to more than one party, but it's encouraging to hear that I'm not the only person on the planet that has noticed that. I'll study the report, but I wasn't suggesting that these countries should disban their weapons. I was merely saying that I see a major contradiction in how the U.S. determines who should or shouldn't have them.

Do you think it would help if Iran openly denounces the treaty that was signed by the last government?

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Izyan]

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I had often speculated that the U.S. were behaving like war lords in that they seemed to be profiting from weapons sales and to more than one party, but it's encouraging to hear that I'm not the only person on the planet that has noticed that. I'll study the report, but I wasn't suggesting that these countries should disban their weapons. I was merely saying that I see a major contradiction in how the U.S. determines who should or shouldn't have them.

Do you think it would help if Iran openly denounces the treaty that was signed by the last government?

The Ninth Scribe

Iran can opt out of the treaty at anytime like North Korea did. By the way it's not a muslim thing because the US has never raised a fuss about Pakistan having nukes. It kinda makes you nervous when a country that chants "Death to America" is trying to make mukes.

 

[MTAFFI]

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I had often speculated that the U.S. were behaving like war lords in that they seemed to be profiting from weapons sales and to more than one party, but it's encouraging to hear that I'm not the only person on the planet that has noticed that. I'll study the report, but I wasn't suggesting that these countries should disban their weapons. I was merely saying that I see a major contradiction in how the U.S. determines who should or shouldn't have them.

Do you think it would help if Iran openly denounces the treaty that was signed by the last government?

The Ninth Scribe

they could certainly withdrawal from the treaty... however they would then lose support from China and Russia for material... Personally I believe eventually they will withdrawal, but not until they have received all necessary material from those they are currently relying on. When they do, they will be condemned by the international committee and a war from somewhere is all but definite, I personally believe it will be Israel attacks all POI

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Iran can opt out of the treaty at anytime like North Korea did. By the way it's not a muslim thing because the US has never raised a fuss about Pakistan having nukes. It kinda makes you nervous when a country that chants "Death to America" is trying to make mukes.

Yes, but likewise, it must make Muslims nervous to see Israel having Nukes. Israel doesn't come right out and say it, but they have more than demonstrated a "my way or the highway" attitude.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

When they do, they will be condemned by the international committee and a war from somewhere is all but definite, I personally believe it will be Israel attacks all POI

Yes, I tend to agree especially after their attack on Syria. What annoys me is that every nation in the world minds it's own business when Israel does this, but they jump on the other middle eastern countries whenever they express the slightest hostility towards precious Israel, even if the hostility is tantamount to: I'm sick of their s--t.

The Ninth Scribe