Israel Will Retaliate Against Rockets From Gaza

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SilentObserver said:
No, actually they don't. They are dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and any truce would simply be a strategic move by Hamas.

From the Hamas Charter:
Seems clear.

Another one from the charter;And a few more from the charter;

The entire charter is a series of hateful statements about Israel, and to summarize calls for the creation of the Palestinian state by the destruction of Israel.
It is very clear. There is no possibility that Hamas will ever rest until Israel is destroyed.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm

B'Tselem, which monitors human rights in the occupied territories, said the figure included 141 children.

At least 322 had taken no part in hostile acts, the group said.

In the same period, the number of deadly Palestinian attacks on Israelis has fallen - 23 Israelis were killed in 2006 compared with 50 last year.

Since June, Israeli troops have killed about 405 Palestinians in Gaza, including 88 children. More than half of the casualties were civilians, B'Tselem said.

As of November, 9,075 Palestinians were being held in Israeli jails. This number included 345 minors, it said.

Of these, 738 (22 minors) were being detained without trial and without knowing the charges against them, the group said.


No wonder why the Palestinians are hateful. I dont blame them a bit.
 
SilentObserver said:
No, actually they don't. They are dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and any truce would simply be a strategic move by Hamas.

From the Hamas Charter:
Seems clear.

Another one from the charter;And a few more from the charter;

The entire charter is a series of hateful statements about Israel, and to summarize calls for the creation of the Palestinian state by the destruction of Israel.
It is very clear. There is no possibility that Hamas will ever rest until Israel is destroyed.
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check the meaning of the word 'truce' and then you might want to edit your comments.

a truce, i.e temporary not perminent settlement so that violence is stopped but that the long term settlement can wait until calmer heads reign.
 
Dawud_uk said:
check the meaning of the word 'truce' and then you might want to edit your comments.

a truce, i.e temporary not perminent settlement so that violence is stopped but that the long term settlement can wait until calmer heads reign.
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You are correct.

A truce is a waste of time with Hamas though. How long till they employ some sneak attack and then try to hide behind the truce?

I say bite the bullet of international whining, and move in and wipe them out once and for all.
 
SilentObserver said:
You are correct.

A truce is a waste of time with Hamas though. How long till they employ some sneak attack and then try to hide behind the truce?

I say bite the bullet of international whining, and move in and wipe them out once and for all.
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hmmm a final solution, that one's not been tried before has it?
 
Yaqub Sulayman said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm

Looks like the Israelis are the bigger problem.
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well, they certainly kill a lot more people than the palestinians do. (as well as destroy houses, which i think is second only to killing/maiming people in degree of horrible.)
but why do both sides continue endlessly playing this bloody game - each killing only causes more killing from the other side, and on it goes...
surely neither side can actually believe that if they just blow up a few more of the enemy they will be left alone?
if there were ever proof that violence doesn't solve problems - the mideast is the prime example.
 
SilentObserver said:
You are correct.

A truce is a waste of time with Hamas though. How long till they employ some sneak attack and then try to hide behind the truce?

I say bite the bullet of international whining, and move in and wipe them out once and for all.
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You are wrong. Truce with Israel is useless.

1.) Over half of the people they kill are innocent civilians who never engaged in hostile attacks.

2.) They're occupying other people's territory, even in the West Bank.

3.) Deaths caused by Hamas has been REDUCED since last year.

4.) Deaths caused by the IDF has TRIPLED since last year.

5.) 738 Palestinians are in Israeli jail without even knowing the charges against them.



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Dawud_uk said:
check the meaning of the word 'truce' and then you might want to edit your comments.

a truce, i.e temporary not perminent settlement so that violence is stopped but that the long term settlement can wait until calmer heads reign.
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Yeah, I'm am positive you cannot find "but firing rockets at jewish teens are okay during truces" in your dictionary.

.) Over half of the people they kill are innocent civilians who never engaged in hostile attacks.
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Human shields are an excellent way to win propaganda wars.

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=37636
http://volokh.com/files/davidb-hezbolllah.jpg
http://volokh.com/posts/1154237903.shtml

2.) They're occupying other people's territory, even in the West Bank.
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Why is that now? Maybe because of Arab agression. If their is no Arab attacks on Israel, Israel never occupies the West Bank out of its own protection because snipers made use of the high ground to kill civilians.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570433/Six-Day_War.html

3.) Deaths caused by Hamas has been REDUCED since last year.
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Really? Have you not noticed the amount of affiliated groups with Hamas has grown since they came into power. Instead of Hamas other groups with different names are doing the killing now, and Hamas can say "it was them".

4.) Deaths caused by the IDF has TRIPLED since last year.
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The amount of rockets fired at Israel has increased over 20X times. Of course Israel will respond to a direct threat on them. Remember, if Hamas and Hezbollah do not kidnap soldiers, two major conflicts never occur.

5.) 738 Palestinians are in Israeli jail without even knowing the charges against them.
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The charges? Firing rockets at civilians, training suicide bombers, terrorism... Do you think the Israeli's just walk in and imprison people. Why waste the space and money to feed them and jail them and gaurd them if they are no threat?
 
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snakelegs said:
well, they certainly kill a lot more people than the palestinians do. (as well as destroy houses, which i think is second only to killing/maiming people in degree of horrible.)
but why do both sides continue endlessly playing this bloody game - each killing only causes more killing from the other side, and on it goes...
surely neither side can actually believe that if they just blow up a few more of the enemy they will be left alone?
if there were ever proof that violence doesn't solve problems - the mideast is the prime example.
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Yo want to know why?? Let me answer:

1.) Palestinians fight for survival. They lands and water have been stolen away from them. They are resisting Israeli aggression in THEIR land in the West bank and Gaza. They are unemployed. They are treated like Jews under Nazi Germany, since they have to travel with identification that they're Palestinians. The Israelis have a system of apartheid with the Palestinians.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1650426,00.html

2.) Israelis attack because they are occupying land that is not their to begin with. With an increasing Jewish population the IDF needs to take up more land and resources for Jewish settlements. They are killing Arabs and stealing all this in the name of defense. Statistics and observances by human rights think tanks have debunked the lie that Israel is defending itself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6213193.stm
 
Yaqub Sulayman said:
LOL, you never fail to put biased assertions in place of facts and statistics.

The Israelis attack and kill because they're occupying other people's land. Obviously your hate for Muslims will just lead u to making excuses.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm

^^ That articles speaks for itself.
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The Israelis attack and kill because they're occupying other people's land.
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No, they occupy the land of Israel. It belongs to them.
Obviously your hate for Muslims will just lead u to making excuses.
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Hate for muslims? Oh oh! what will I tell my muslim friends? None of us knew all of this time that I hated them.

Any person knows that if you shoot at me with a pistol and I have a cannon, when I shoot back there is going to be alot more damage. That pistol can still kill though. And it does. And so do the bombs, rockets, assault rifles, etc. Numbers don't mean much. One dead Israeli (or palestinian) civilian is too many. Of course they will hit back. And of course they hit back harder, because they can. It would make to sense to hit back softly.
 
SilentObserver said:
And nearly all the people killed by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc are innocent civilians.
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I think you misunderstand the ideology of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. You see... if you are a Jew living in Israel, your not innocent according to Hamas. If your a Palestinian with a bomb vest off to blow up a schoolbus then your a freedom fighter. :skeleton: :exhausted

Review:

Hamas ideology: Jew = Not innocent
 
Will you guys stop and listen to each other! These threads go round and round saying exactly the same thing! I've said this before on a similar thread the other week.

It doesnt matter who fired the last shot, the ones to blame are the ones firing the next shot!!!

Going round and round blaming each side acheives nothing at all. How do you armchair politicians really know what is going on in the Palestinian territories or in Isreal? Earlier today I read a post from a Palestinian himself. He is THERE, he KNOWS.

What chance is there for peace if people on here cannot get on and discuss things in a mature manner?

Stop it already!

Peace CG
 
Curious girl2 said:
Will you guys stop and listen to each other! These threads go round and round saying exactly the same thing! I've said this before on a similar thread the other week.

It doesnt matter who fired the last shot, the ones to blame are the ones firing the next shot!!!

Going round and round blaming each side acheives nothing at all. How do you armchair politicians really know what is going on in the Palestinian territories or in Isreal? Earlier today I read a post from a Palestinian himself. He is THERE, he KNOWS.

What chance is there for peace if people on here cannot get on and discuss things in a mature manner?

Stop it already!

Peace CG
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Nice post and true. I would rep ya but I have reped to many people today, i'll get ya tommorow with a rep, just remind me :D
 
Curious girl just gave some good advice.
 
ManchesterFolk said:
Hamas charter:

"For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave"

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm


Israel would not even be in the West Bank if it wasn't for Arabs attacking her, and then Israel destroying the Muslim attackers
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1.) Obviously they did not mean Jews in general, they meant Zionist Jews.

2.) The other two quotes are apparently NOT anti-Semitic. The land of the Palestinians have been stolen from them and they have every right to resist occupation. I do not agree with their methodology though.

3.) They are not in the West Bank for defense. They are in the West Bank to make more Jewish settlements.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6213193.stm

The "Muslims" are being defeated because they are poor, unemployed, and unarmed. They Israelis love to prey on them.
 
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People that support hamas and dislike Fatah don't care about the Palestinian people. They only care that hamas thumbs their nose at Israel. They care more about that then seeing the people find peace. Real, permanent peace. Not the kind where they wait until Hamas decides they are ready for more violence.

Curious girl2 said:
It doesnt matter who fired the last shot, the ones to blame are the ones firing the next shot!!!
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Exactly.
 
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