Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe

[Zulkiflim]

100,000 in europe?

wouldnt be suprised if that many in UK alone. seems every masjid i go into isnt complete without at least 1 ginger revert brother and i am assuming there are other non ginger reverts out there as well as us ginger bearded brothers.

also need to remember that there are twice as many revert sisters than brothers in the uk, so for every brother that gets recorded in the masjid there are at least twice as many hiding out in the sisters section or at home.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Salaaam,



ginger revert??

What the heck is that??

 

[north_malaysian]

mosque attendance is not same as Church attendance.Muslims are allowed to pray at home.Its only mandatory for Fridays.

yupp...

In Malaysia, for Fajr prayer it could be 3 people praying in a mosque which could accomodate about 3,000 worshippers... but during Friday prayers... the mosque will be packed .... and during Eid prayers ... it'll increase 50% of Friday prayers congregations as the women also joining in...

and the Grand Mosque in Mecca is overloaded with people 24/7.

 

[rav]

mosque attendance is not same as Church attendance.Muslims are allowed to pray at home.Its only mandatory for Fridays.

Prayer at home and personally is one of the most popular things in christianity. They have no law to pray in a congregation like which is advised under Jewish law (a group of 10 or more males).

 

[north_malaysian]

Prayer at home and personally is one of the most popular things in christianity. They have no law to pray in a congregation like which is advised under Jewish law (a group of 10 or more males).

So a 10 person needed to perform a congregational prayer? No wonder they closed the synagogue in the downtown of George Town... (only 1 Penangite Jew family still living in Penang)...

Can a Jew go to the synagogue and sit there alone... remembering god etc?

 

[thirdwatch512]

i am not trying to sound rude, but i, as a homosexual, am very weary of islamic growth. i guess i just don't know what to expect.

but i don't think islam will dominate europe. because we must remember that unlike muslims in the U.S., the muslims in europe typically don't live with the rest. like you can go to paris and would never ever guess that france was 10% muslim. then go to the suburbs, and you would think you were in lebanon or something lol. and that's how it is in a lot of europe.

but all in all i think once america gets out of iraq, once palestine and israel can get peaceful, and once europe lowers the amount of immigrants it takes in, maybe islam won't be increasing as much. also, i hear that europe's white birthrate is on the increase.. so who knows lol.

 

[sevgi]

you know, the number of converts may be increasing in europe and with the inclusion of Turkey to the eu, it will increase heapes...but this is what i am scared of...

as the Turks enter the eu, they lose their islamic values. they are acting way to euroish jsut to be accepted. so quite frankly, i dnt care about the number of mulsims grow in europe...converts are good.but do the muslims who lose themselves and their identity away from home really count...theyre only good for numbers and definietly nothing for the europeans to be scared of...i believe we shud be the ones who are scared by these growing numbers.

but its nice how the historian credited so much power to Turkey

 

[cihad]

i don't want turkey to go into the eu
coz then they will go even more western than they are already

 

[thirdwatch512]

i don't want turkey to go into the eu
coz then they will go even more western than they are already

the bigger cities, yes.. but the smaller cities won't see any change. and the rural areas in turkey are ultra islamic convservative.

there are still religious christian small towns in russia, and russia went through over a hundred years of communism where religion was hated!

 

[rav]

So a 10 person needed to perform a congregational prayer? No wonder they closed the synagogue in the downtown of George Town... (only 1 Penangite Jew family still living in Penang)...

Can a Jew go to the synagogue and sit there alone... remembering god etc?

Of course. But a Minyan (10 males) is required for certain prayers and customs like reciting the Torah and more.

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minyan

 

[sevgi]

i don't want turkey to go into the eu
coz then they will go even more western than they are already

Turkey isnt really western at the moment...they jst think they are.theyre modernising most areas...so ineviatbly "westernism" is taking its toll. Turizm is crazy in Turkey so most of the influence is from there. there are still atleast two mosques on every street and the adhan can be heard five times a day.they are all still muslims but the number of practicing ones are decreasing. The problem with Turkey is the political concurrence. The leading party wants to fix most things but cant because for years, the military has overtaken most roles which the govt is supposed to decree.

i mean, you enter Istanbul and this is what you see:
a whole lot of men gathered in every corner talking about how bad the govt is
cigarette smoke
traffic
car horns

but all u can focus on is the flashy side of it...coz they make it look good. people dress up and think they are all French...but they cant see that they actually have quite low standards.

i dnt want them to join either. it will get Turkey into a lot of trouble with the superpowers. What they want at the moment is an introverted Turkey. Stable on the inside...but unbelievable unstable in its international affairs.Turkey holds a lot of potential and they know this.one can see this from its history. so they are jst preoccupying the people and teasing them with this EU stuff.