Israeli Sacrilege Angers Muslims, Christians

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doorster said:
are you NOT making them look like 2 separate gods now?

anhoo do you think that there is any truth in >> http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.3.10.html
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That's not what you asked. If you want to get into a theological debate on if christians are monothesis or not open another thread. You said you know of no religious scripture saying Jesus was God. I showed you one. Do you want another?

In Exodus God says to Moses:
"I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

This is the same Reply Jesus gives to the Jews at the temple:

48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.

53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"

54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.

55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.

56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
 
Izyan said:
John 3:16 probably the most famous scripture in the world.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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Except that is not Jesus(as) claiming to be God(swt) it is one of the Authers who used the name John. Most biblical Scholars agree that the book of John was written by several people using the same name.
 
aamirsaab said:
So you're perfectly fine with that guy calling Jesus too fat to walk on water and Mary not a virgin....

You know, there's this little thing in Islam called respect. I suspect both Judaism and Christianity teach that too, but it seems from your posts you seem to lack that attribute. Perhaps you should reconsider your apostacy from Islam - clearly, your current path isn't doing you any favours.
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this is why Christianity is dead and buried in the west, they have allowed atheists and seculars to mock and make fun of their faith to the point where most people dont take it seriously, what do you expect, when you allow someone to walk all over you time and time again, no one will take you seriously. and then Christians wonder why Christianity is falling out! duhhhhh have some more honour and respect for your faith and then maybe it would be as dominant as it used to be.
 
Izyan said:
John 3:16 probably the most famous scripture in the world.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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this verse is John speaking, secondly, how do you interpret son of God to mean God? you just made that up, i suggest you go learn a little about this term son of God and how it was used by most Jews and Jesus, son of God meant servant of God, not God himself.

and what is this term you made up begotten?????? this is precisely what Islam attacks, this literal interpretation you have in your Bible, calling Jesus the BEGOTTEN son of God, begotten isnt a word that is used for spirituality, its all in the physical sense, i suggest you go learn about the greek word that is used for begotten, and you will see that this word is a sexual act between man and woman when they make a baby.
 
not only do most scholars agree that the gospel of John wasnt written by no disciple John, they also agree that the gospel of John is not a historical account at all, rather it is an interpretive book based on the opinions of the author!!!!!!! so whe you see Jesus talking in the Gospel of John, thats not him at all, thats an authors interpretation of how he thought Jesus was talking about.

so sorry folks, the Gospel of John is not a historical account AT ALL.
 
Izyan said:
I've reconsidered it and decided to stay an apostate. I have great respect for the Lord Jesus Christ, that's why you won't see me saying he's too fat to walk on water. What other people do don't concern me. When I stand before God I stand alone.
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To seclude yourself from the rest of the world and let people do as they please is probably not very Christian like, don't you think? For any religion really. If something happens, you don't just cover your ears, bend over, take it up the *** and say God will deal with them. Now I'm not saying to catch the next flight over there, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
 
The_Prince said:
this is why Christianity is dead and buried in the west, they have allowed atheists and seculars to mock and make fun of their faith to the point where most people dont take it seriously, what do you expect, when you allow someone to walk all over you time and time again, no one will take you seriously. and then Christians wonder why Christianity is falling out! duhhhhh have some more honour and respect for your faith and then maybe it would be as dominant as it used to be.
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You must not know much about the US. The Christian Right had enough clout to influence the last 3 elections (sat out the last one).
 
Ok you guys don't like the book of John. How about Matthew?


Matthew 17
The Transfiguration
1After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.

2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.

3Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."

5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

6When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.

7But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said. "Don't be afraid."

8When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."
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This was also repeated in Mark and Luke.
 
The_Prince said:
this verse is John speaking, secondly, how do you interpret son of God to mean God? you just made that up, i suggest you go learn a little about this term son of God and how it was used by most Jews and Jesus, son of God meant servant of God, not God himself.

and what is this term you made up begotten?????? this is precisely what Islam attacks, this literal interpretation you have in your Bible, calling Jesus the BEGOTTEN son of God, begotten isnt a word that is used for spirituality, its all in the physical sense, i suggest you go learn about the greek word that is used for begotten, and you will see that this word is a sexual act between man and woman when they make a baby.
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It was a poor translation. If you want the literal translation for the original texts it's:


"For in this way God loved the world: that he gave the unique son, so that all the ones trusting in him would not perish, but have eternal life."
 
-Kai- said:
To seclude yourself from the rest of the world and let people do as they please is probably not very Christian like, don't you think? For any religion really. If something happens, you don't just cover your ears, bend over, take it up the *** and say God will deal with them. Now I'm not saying to catch the next flight over there, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
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And people called Jesus a false messiah, a liar, a demon, amongst other things. What did he do in turn?
 
The_Prince said:
this is why Christianity is dead and buried in the west, they have allowed atheists and seculars to mock and make fun of their faith to the point where most people dont take it seriously, what do you expect, when you allow someone to walk all over you time and time again, no one will take you seriously. and then Christians wonder why Christianity is falling out! duhhhhh have some more honour and respect for your faith and then maybe it would be as dominant as it used to be.
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The opposite reaction of Muslims is the reason why they are seen as religious fanatics and terrorists who belong to the desert rather than Europe.
I don't know which way's better, but Christian certainly don't receive much attention as Muslims lately.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
Because they're religious fanatics that actually mean it, and they seem filled with hate, religious hate for that matter.
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By "having a problem with it" do you still support their right to say/believe it?
 
lol I love the use of the word "begotten" :D

Its quite handy when you can just make things up as you go lol. Just add words in as and when it pleases you.
 
Hamayun said:
lol I love the use of the word "begotten" :D

Its quite handy when you can just make things up as you go lol. Just add words in as and when it pleases you.
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begotten is not a made up word. It's derived from the root word beget which means to sire or produce.
 
Izyan said:
begotten is not a made up word. It's derived from the root word beget which means to sire or produce.
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I know begotten is a real word. I was referring to the use of it in your scriptures. Did Jesus say he was "begotten"?
 

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