Istanbul has become kafir

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Islam haters are so funny, they never look in the mirror. This is coming from someone whose government is complicit in massacring millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Lebanon.
 
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islamiclife said:
and there is a difference between the two?
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Well secular means:

1. not concerned with religion: not controlled by a religious body or concerned with religious or spiritual matters
secular education

2. not religious: not religious or spiritual in nature
secular music
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Kaffir means non-Muslim, it is concerned with secularism and those who follow different religions.

Though both descriptions could be used to describe what has taken place in Instanbul. I think Turkey is heading towards secularism in the long-term because it is considering to join the EU.
 
Argamemnon said:
Christians have no right to complain, you stole North America, South America and Australia and brutally massacred the inhabitants. You have treated people much worse! And your imperialism still continues. You build systems to keep nations dependent on you. I can go on and on!
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Well the current British people did not do anything, it was their ancestors that committed such acts. I'm pretty sure many British people would not tolerate inhumane treatment of different races and strongly against wars.

Supreme said:
Now you know how we felt when you stole it from us Christians!

(And desecrated the beautiful, sacred Hagia Sophia by turning it into a mosque.)
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We didn't steal anything. I probably wasn't born when that happened! (When did it happen?)
 
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Guestfellow said:
Well the current British people did not do anything, it was their ancestors that committed such acts. I'm pretty sure many British people would not tolerate inhumane treatment of different races and strongly against wars.
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That's not true. Current British people are supporting Zionist crimes and wouldn't mind bombing Iran.
 
Argamemnon said:
That's not true. Current British people are supporting Zionist crimes and wouldn't mind bombing Iran.
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Yes that is true. I believe many European nations and America plus sweet adorable, innocent, little and poor Israel wouldn't mind destroying Iran. >_>

I believe the media has fed them constant lies. Though being ignorant is not an option either. People should not believe what the media tells them, media is the number one cause for mass brainwashing.

However there are some people who are against Zionism war crimes and are against any military action against Iran.
 
Argamemnon said:
Christians have no right to complain, you stole North America, South America and Australia and brutally massacred the inhabitants. You have treated people much worse! And your imperialism still continues. You build systems to keep nations dependent on you. I can go on and on!
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No, secular governments did that. They may be Christian majority countries, but that doesn't mean the West imperialises countries for the sake of turning them Christian. It does it for the sake of money and power, if the colonial population happen to like Christianity, then that's obviously a bonus, but it's not always necessary, as evidenced in India.

the same way you desecrated mosques in spain with pagan symbols?
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It isn't the same. The Hagia Sophia was the focal point of Eastern Christianity, and far more holy and beautiful than most mosques in Spain.

it is easy to reject a self-immolating three headed god as the creator of the universe!
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Evidently not so easy for the large populations of Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Middle East!

Turkey wasn't stolen, they became Muslim
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And now it's becoming secular-- it's easy to reject a religion such as Islam when you will it!
 
Supreme;1260119= said:
It isn't the same. The Hagia Sophia was the focal point of Eastern Christianity, and far more holy and beautiful than most mosques in Spain.
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Purely subjective.


And now it's becoming secular-- it's easy to reject a religion such as Islam when you will it!
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Actually many people Turkey happen to still practice Islam, just the government wants to impose a secular system. The odd thing is many Muslims in the West are becoming more religious and some Muslims in the East are becoming more secular. Plus more people are converting to Islam, so I would not say it is easy to reject.

Not even non-practising Muslims have been able to reject Islam.
 
Supreme said:
but that doesn't mean the West imperialises countries for the sake of turning them Christian. It does it for the sake of money and power.
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Doing it for money and power is even worse... wiping out entire populations for money can't be a noble thing.

Also, the Byzantines were always conquering other nations and peoples. They were very hostile against Muslims. There was an Arab, I don't remember who it was, but he said "even if you never attack and fight the Byzantines (Greeks), they will attack and fight you! Either they conquered us, or we conquered them.

Peace
 
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Purely subjective.
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The significance of the Hagia Sophia is objective. It is the Eastern Christian equivalent of St Peter's Basilica for Catholics or the Al Asqa mosque for Sunni Muslims.

Actually many people Turkey happen to still practice Islam, just the government wants to impose a secular system. The odd thing is many Muslims in the West are becoming more religious and some Muslims in the East are becoming more secular.
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I do find that odd, but not entirely unbelievable. If you're a minority, like Western Muslims, you will try and defend your culture and religion more fiercely than you would in a Muslim majority country.
 
Türkiye is a different place , so is Istanbul.For example, many people introduce themselves religious although they dont perform daily salah.Maybe the secular environment makes them ignore some practices of Islam.And as we talk about bars , clubs in Istanbul.I am sure not all of them but some of the owners of these go jumma-Friday prayers.At least , this is something.Everybody has their own sins and they are responsible for that. Türkiye is a different country.
 
Supreme said:
The significance of the Hagia Sophia is objective. It is the Eastern Christian equivalent of St Peter's Basilica for Catholics or the Al Asqa mosque for Sunni Muslims.
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To be honest I don't know what your talking about. I thought we were walking about which building looks more beautiful. Of course we have beautiful churches and mosques. I'll do some research later.

I do find that odd, but not entirely unbelievable. If you're a minority, like Western Muslims, you will try and defend your culture and religion more fiercely than you would in a Muslim majority country.
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Yup. Some Muslims in the East may wish to experience a lifestyle as a Westerner. Muslims in the West have already experienced it, so want to avoid when they come back to their senses.
 
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The significance of the Hagia Sophia is objective. It is the Eastern Christian equivalent of St Peter's Basilica for Catholics or the Al Asqa mosque for Sunni Muslims.

To be honest I don't know what your talking about. I thought we were walking about which building looks more beautiful. Of course we have beautiful churches and mosques. I'll do some research later.
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The main topic of his posts is about the significance of the Hagia Sophia(Greek for: Holy Wisdom) as the centre of Eastern Orthodox Christianity(as The See of the Archbishop or something). Just like how the Sistine Chapel is to Roman Catholics as the Sancta Sedes(Holy See).
 

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