it is unfair...why u don't care !!!

[Snowflake]

Of course, but we're not talking about alot of money here. Also, things like blankets, clothing, shoes and personal sundries (all priceless commodities in certain regions), are hardly going to impress those seeking to make a major profit and they could be sent to pen friends in place of financial support until there is more trust.

Plus try and keep in mind that people have different levels of need. Some may require more attention than others, particularly the elderly and mothers with small children. The object is to show your love for them so they'll know they are not alone and can endure the days to come.

Ninth Scribe

I can't see the effectiveness in this method of giving aid. People need food more than anything else. Sending other commodities isn't only expensive but money is wasted in shipping costs. The same money can afford to help them buy the things they need there, like medication, food etc..

What's really needed is volunteers going out there in person and compiling a register of those who need help. This register can then be put on the forum for sponsers to see and select. Every person sponsered will be marked to avoid lots of people sponsering the same person.

It is possible.

Hopefully sponsers will continue to donate a fixed monthly sum to their chosen brother, sister or family.

Drat! I was going to mention something and got interrupted by a phone call..now I can't remember what it was. Laters maybe. :rollseyes

Finally, how about a brother volunteers to go and I am sure together we can all donate some money for travel fares? :?

 

[Maarya]

salam
wow! it really makes u think

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I can't see the effectiveness in this method of giving aid. People need food more than anything else. Sending other commodities isn't only expensive but money is wasted in shipping costs. The same money can afford to help them buy the things they need there, like medication, food etc..

What's really needed is volunteers going out there in person and compiling a register of those who need help. This register can then be put on the forum for sponsers to see and select. Every person sponsered will be marked to avoid lots of people sponsering the same person.

It is possible.

Hopefully sponsers will continue to donate a fixed monthly sum to their chosen brother, sister or family.

Drat! I was going to mention something and got interrupted by a phone call..now I can't remember what it was. Laters maybe. :rollseyes

Finally, how about a brother volunteers to go and I am sure together we can all donate some money for travel fares? :?

Well, I'm from Cape Cod. We get overwhelmed with Russians, Jamaicans and Brazillians, who come here on summer work visas and they always send care packages and cash back home to their families. They don't seem to mind the expense, any more than my family did when I lived in London. They sent me things like flannel sheets and a winter coat. Items like this do help since, the less I had to buy, the more I had for things like food. These people are your extended family, so what am I missing here?

Places like Palestine are not getting aid. They're cut off, and I'm not even sure they can get mail, but if you can come up with a better plan, I'm all ears!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Snowflake]

Well, I'm from Cape Cod. We get overwhelmed with Russians, Jamaicans and Brazillians, who come here on summer work visas and they always send care packages and cash back home to their families. They don't seem to mind the expense, any more than my family did when I lived in London. They sent me things like flannel sheets and a winter coat. Items like this do help since, the less I had to buy, the more I had for things like food. These people are your extended family, so what am I missing here?

Places like Palestine are not getting aid. They're cut off, and I'm not even sure they can get mail, but if you can come up with a better plan, I'm all ears!

Ninth Scribe

Your plan isn't bad. I just feel it's more productive if executed using alternative methods. It's very difficult for the majority of people to send bulky items. And then I don't see any long-term benefits of parcelling a few goodies to anyone. Somehow it seems much easier to send things to the places you mentioned., but there may be obstacles reaching places like Palestine. Correct me if I'm wrong but being a warm country, clothing isn't priority to the Palestinians. Food and medication is.

The other thing (the one I forgot earlier) is, how many of these people will even have access to the internet? Who's going to tell them there's a forum when people are willing to sponser them? If they are having trouble fulfilling basic needs, the last thing they will be doing is forking out money on internet services.

If there's a register containing names and addresses on the internet, then at least we can send money to them. I could be wrong, but the only way I see is for someone to go out there and compile a register first.

If you can come up with a more effective idea, I'll be right behind it. Two heads are better than one.



just out of interest, would anyone actually be willing to go? :?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

If there's a register containing names and addresses on the internet, then at least we can send money to them. I could be wrong, but the only way I see is for someone to go out there and compile a register first.

That's the idea. Get some of them who are online to act as scouts and hand us the names and addresses of the others. It will take some time, but it has a nice ripple effect. I wouldn't mind going to Palestine or Iraq. I can get a written decree allowing me to be there from both Shia and Sunni scholars (which is about the only thing certain groups will obey). Six different groups have offered me safe passage already.

But the State Department locked up my passport. :heated:

Ninth Scribe

 

[Snowflake]

That's the idea. Get some of them who are online to act as scouts and hand us the names and addresses of the others. It will take some time, but it has a nice ripple effect. I wouldn't mind going to Palestine or Iraq. I can get a written decree allowing me to be there from both Shia and Sunni scholars (which is about the only thing certain groups will obey). Six different groups have offered me safe passage already.

One needs a written decree to be there? What's all that about?

Anyway, we can't be sure these 'scouts' who are virtually unknown to us, are going to be genuine people. There may be people willing to donate up to £20 month or more on a monthly basis. If the money gets into the wrong hands then there's our mission fulfilled :-\

Back to the drawing board.

These groups you mentioned? Would they allow sisters to go?

Heyyyyy brothers.. what's stopping u guys eh? ^o)

 

[Snowflake]

Heyyyyy brothers.. what's stopping u guys eh? ^o)

shall I nominate someone? :?

 

[islamicfajr]

I can get a written decree allowing me to be there from both Shia and Sunni scholars (which is about the only thing certain groups will obey). Six different groups have offered me safe passage already.

i advise u if u want to learn about Islam to be fair-minded and free from whims and desires. u should beware of the ways in which the enemies of Islam try to distort Islam. u should strive to learn about Islam from its pure sources and not from the sects who give a bad image of Islam by their bid’ah and innovations, like the Qadiaanis (Ahmadis), Shi’ah and Sufis, etc. These groups have distorted the message of Islam with their innovations, so u should not regard their actions and words as being Islam.

Here : The Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah

aslo : Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah

and insha` Allah if u wanna learn about islam ..

Here :Introductory Articles About Islam ....

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i know u turth seeker..Alhamdulillah..

Here : Muslim <---> Christian Dialogue

“Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free” John 8:31 – (NIV)


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my advice to u...
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if u a sincere desire to find out the truth, but before that did you not ask yourself: why am I content with this little that I know about Islam? Why don’t I get the full picture about this religion from its followers, even if that means that I have to travel to them? People often travel to earn money or for pleasure, or for other material purposes, or even for foolish purposes.

It is the matter of one’s eternal destiny. Is it not possible that this truth that you are seeking is to be found in that which you do not know about Islam?

It is even more serious than that, for it is the matter of eternal Paradise or eternal Hell.

But in addition to that sincere desire to discover the truth, you also need an even more sincere desire to follow it and the will power to adhere to it, even if it runs contrary to what you were accustomed to before.

i ask Allaah to guide u to the right path..

peace,

islamicfajr

 

[wilberhum]

I find it disturbing when there is a air of "Only Muslems" matter.
There seams to be no cairing for non-Muslim death and suffering.
I care about death and suffering of anyone/everyone.

If Muslims only care about Muslims why do they think others should care about them?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

We do care about everyone, well i do. But well lets see, they're our brothers and sisters in faith. That comes first. If people think thats a problem, then so be it. Wont change nething.

 

[wilberhum]

We do care about everyone, well i do. But well lets see, they're our brothers and sisters in faith. That comes first. If people think thats a problem, then so be it. Wont change nething.

Can you show me one post where a Muslem shows any careing for a non-Muslem? Attatudes change most everything.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Do they HAVE to write it down in paper? What about you, urs arent exactly present. Worse then a lot of people.

 

[wilberhum]

Do they HAVE to write it down in paper? What about you, urs arent exactly present. Worse then a lot of people.

Ya, I'm as bad as they come. Speaking out against bigotery and hatered. You can't get much worse than that.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Your not worse, but your not great either. Whether you would like to admit it or not, ur posts are not nice. Always have some nasty sarcasm. If you have a problem with us worried about our brothers and sisters, its not our problem. It will always be like that, no what what someone will blabber. This thread was started by someone for them, so i dont see what your problem is. If you care so much, then you start a thread and i shall see you there. If you dont have anything positive to add, then leave instead of adding bigoted and rude comments.

 

[wilberhum]

Tayyba,
Your right. Most of my posts are not nice. They arn't great eather. It is just me being me. But look what I post against. I post against those that praise child killers. I post against those that try to justify there hate against whole groups of people. I post against those that promote or display bigitery as on this thread. I attack those that think there religion makes them superior to others. I attack those that distrort the truth to the point that it is a lie. Why am I not nice? Well look at really not nice things I stand against.

What do you stand against? Any thing other than me not being nice

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I know not all of em are, but your posts are rude to the extent of making fun and you should know that. You dont know me to make such an assumption. So I'd wish you wouldnt do that with me and a lot of other people. You honestly do not know me. I dont post on a lot issues because I dont know whats true or false. But I always defend my innocent brothers and sisters. Nothing will change that, not even your comments. It will only bounce of me like a wall. Ill hear it, read it, see it, but it wont change what i think. I stand where I am.

 

[wilberhum]

your posts are rude to the extent of making fun and you should know that.

I know that and have stated why they are of that nature. Should I be nice to those that promote hate? Why should I make fun of those that claim proof for things that the greatest minds of the world, past and present could not prove?

You dont know me to make such an assumption.

And You dont know me to make such any assumptions.

I dont know whats true or false.

Don't you want to know?

I always defend my innocent brothers and sisters.

Have I attacked your innocent brothers and sisters"? I don't think so.
Feel free to point one out. I will appologize. I have no intention to attack the innocent.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Your dissuading from the point. I dont know why u have a problem with us defending them. Anyways as usual, it feels like the World Affairs sec everytime someone pops in like this.

Im out

Peace

 

[wilberhum]

I dont know why u have a problem with us defending them.

I don't have a problem with "defending them". My problem is ONLY "defending them".
I seldom see a kind word or wish for a non-Muslem. I think that is sad and it does not give a positive image.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

What makes u think its "only" them? cuz a separate thread was started?? why dont u start a thread about it and ill meet u there. So we can spare this one.

Peace