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Scimitar said:
There's plenty on youtube, he's a takfiri. He's made takfir on scholars like Shaikh Hamza Yusuf and Imran Hosein among others. And he had no proof. Funny thing is you are asking me for proof - and the proof is there, on youtube.

I'm sure you've seen it. How can you ask me for it? lol

Scimi
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By your token, ever scholar is a troll for making takfir on others. Hamza yusuf is a sufi deviant, imran hosein also doesn't have all the correct information. But i know people on this forum love their deviant scholars so i guess no point discussing this any further.
 
aaj said:
There is a BIG difference between having difference of opinions and have incorrect aqeedah and information. Faziel-amal is a book of shirk and if people want to ignorantly follow it and defend it then it is their akhirah they are putting on the line.

http://www.it-rx.com/salafi-scholars/deviantgroups/jamaaahattableegh/0011001.htm
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I read this..having different opinions are usually benefiiting to rectify our eeman...so for those who learn hadiths and understand it ...it gives us correct interpretation in our hearts...some incidents really change our life...it is with eeman...sahabas learned quran later...so in order to understand in correcf sense we need eeman....brother answer to everything is explained....misunderstanding is the cause...i read those hadiths...they never promote shirk of any kind...the first hadith says the love of sahabi for the prophet...bu the writer thought as shirk...look allah swt is the changer of hearts...even though with all knowledge/ahlu sunna wal jama one cannot get hidaya ..we know about phiroan,Abu Talib and.son of nooh a.s ...etc...so correct knolege sahee ilm is not ilm we got within the books..it must be felt within the heart....logically:_sheikul hadiths Maulana zakarriys sahib was not intended to create another sect in islam....reinnovate the dheen...use wikipedia...to know...also ithink there are some blogspot which answers the misconceptions...i will give those links...brothers we all are learning and looking at correct way nd practising it...simply telling that it is right /wrong doesnot make us muslims a muslim..we should go through them...if we could...we should atleast spent quality time on Jamaat 3days...minimum...so to get correct understanding.... i m 100%_ sure the experience ie not like you think.. not like we speak on islamicboard or online forums...online learning and learning from a teacher are different...there is a hadith...which says...if you truly love prophet ...poverty will soon reach you....do poverty reach how many muslims...we must fear allah.mwe got all provisions...all necessaries.... people do dawah at our doorsteps...we are creating misunderstanding without even asking their opinion.....our enemy is shaytan...who bends out the hadiths...if we do or cannot understand others hearts...why label the whole group of people as....dawah efforts by all organisations helped dheen...Allah is the knower of hearts...So there are muslims or true muslims among which Allah only knews....being a sunni or bleonging to salafi....or son of Alim....cannot make or save us ...only good hearts and deeds could........this is so complex...to type...its about eeman...how could anyone count the heartbeat when hearing some hadith...some people have no effect and some people really change by same incident...because Allah is changer of hearts....If we do dua to Allah ....is Allah enough powerful to guide us....we should do efforts on dheen for eeman
 
if you call someone as something... Allah will question on judgement day...understand that all the persons whom you made inferior to you...Allah make them superior....we should do dawah and work for eeman...when a mother said to child ...look at the sky...the stars are bigger than the moon...child will see by looking at he see moon is bigger than stars...so just by looking at cannot make us understand dheen....it must be felt within hearts...knowledge is direction....with dheen....money position are not what need in life....dheen should be used to create ihsan ikhlas thaqwa thawakkul thauheed...these are qualities of eeman...there are still lots of people who were born handicapped cannot hear or speak or learn...Allah is only looking at their hearts...our Most important thing is dawah...because Allah will ask us Allah gave us knowledge and everything...what did you do with it....how could i say i made a living and happy life...when others around me all muslims as well as nonmuslims around me waiting for Allah 's mercy turn against me not even remininding them of Allsh and judgement day...brother this too is my problem...lot of hardships to be faced in life...life isnt easy...look at our beloved prohets life...
 
To understand it correctly...i go out with TJ...when everyone.. most people was speaking allegations...i go out for 3 days...and still when i get holidays i go out...and everyday Read hadith after fajr prayer...also Do mahshura on effort of dheen in our locality...inshallah i will go out for 4 months...it is very effective...since after long experiences ...my main problems will be solved....concetration in prayers...good hearts...restraing from sins..etc.
 
aaj said:
Got any proof against the brother? sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk. It's their job to warn against deviant groups. Otherwise we have deviant scholars of shia, sunni, suffi and what have you all sharing the same platform giving dawah to masses. Most of the "religious" youths are messed up thanks to these deviant scholars, like hamza yusuf and his institute.
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brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
 
azc said:
brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
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Dont talk like that to anyone.....
i 've seen a person needs help here
.see a look @youtube...
https://youtu.be/Ooxqkycjkpg

this video posted person is anti islam...his other videos are cut and dubbed with wrong titles like muslim turned christian or zakir naik accept christian...or...something...even given Qur'an verses ...he is not accepting it ...he is alive and active....Brother if anyone give him source and proof to him would be nice with a strong title...May Allah give him hidayah
 
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his name is w.masih in youtube...he is spresding lies...fakes...one of his video link js given above.
 
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I think This hadith will be good enough to show my stance.

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 206 Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:


The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a stateshould take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."


Note :

1) Do not stop any Muslim who is working for deen IN ANY FORM. let their Mistakes DO NOT OVERSHADOW THEIR CAPACITY TO DO GOOD. stopping a good deed is an act of Shaitan and shaitan is destined to hell.

2) Let every Muslim get enough knowledge to know the priority among the Orders of Allah & differentiate NOT ONLY between Kufr & shirk but between Fard & Wajib, Sunnah Muakakkada or stressed sunnah & ordinary sunnah , Musthahab & Nafl

3) Avoid Sects and Maintain Unity amongst Muslims. We are good with kaffirs with whom we differ 90% but hate Muslims with different opinion. ^o) with whom we differ just 20 % , this is TRAP of IBLIS SHAITAN , The real enemy of Muslims.

4) All these are TESTS for the Ummah to prove who wants to follow groupism , ego or the Order of Allah and his Nabi ?
 
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talibilm said:
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I think This hadith will be good enough to show my stance.

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 206 Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:


The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a stateshould take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."


Note :

1) Do not stop any Muslim who is working for deen IN ANY FORM. let their Mistakes DO NOT OVERSHADOW THEIR CAPACITY TO DO GOOD.

2) Let every Muslim get enough knowledge to know the priority among the Orders of Allah & differentiate NOT ONLY between Kufr & shirk but between Fard & Wajib, Sunnah Muakakkada or stressed sunnah & ordinary sunnah , Musthahab & Nafl

3) Avoid Sects and Maintain Unity amongst Muslims. We are good with kaffirs with whom we differ 90% but hate Muslims with different opinion. ^o) with whom we differ just 20 % , this is TRAP of IBLIS SHAITAN , The real enemy of Muslims.

4) All these are TESTS for the Ummah to prove who wants to follow groupism , ego or the Order of Allah and his Nabi ?
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Mashallah
 
aaj said:
By your token, ever scholar is a troll for making takfir on others. Hamza yusuf is a sufi deviant, imran hosein also doesn't have all the correct information. But i know people on this forum love their deviant scholars so i guess no point discussing this any further.
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I find your comment reeking of ignorance. Honestly. Stupid ignorance. Which of these three scholars make takfir? Imran Hosein? Hamza Yusuf? or Your fake milk shake?

Yep - your troll shaikh Akari.

Did the scholars ever disagree on matters? did the sahabi ra? Yes. Was it ever a cause for making takfir? NO.

You, are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

I'd advise you to stay quiet and do some reading, but ignorance will keep you arguing like your fake fool of a shaikh.


Oh yeah, he's a coward as well.

Scimi
 
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brothers take control over your emotions and angry...shaytan will make you call coward or ...such words to others...later you will feel it...i shouldn't have called such...moreover we are understanding true faith...so some knew of things better than others...so every answers please make sure not hurt or lower others...Allah make them superior for that act...i am afraid.
 
Brothers...look here ...A person with ego or with influence of shaytan ..is defending truth with lies hatred and ego...
https://youtu.be/Ooxqkycjkpg


look here someone in youtube post videos of fake and wrong titles...still people gives proof and evidence... still rejects.....this is what is seen


brothers we know we need to suffer some hardship so as to attain Jannah ...and Allah mercy...fear Allah...open the heart out...throw every hatred ego...etc...

include me in your duas...i need not money or anything from you all...i never wanted to win...i want Allah nercy and eeman...i am saying this as i am not perfect and weaker eeman than you all.
 
even though we brothers are not different sect...we are muslims...and in Allah view our hearts... so we are one ummah muslim....we need to understand what shaytan..do......look at people who are completely against...and need of dawah...if we dont do our job...Allah will replace us with sone other people
 
Scimitar said:
I find your comment reeking of ignorance. Honestly. Stupid ignorance. Which of these three scholars make takfir? Imran Hosein? Hamza Yusuf? or Your fake milk shake?

Yep - your troll shaikh Akari.

Did the scholars ever disagree on matters? did the sahabi ra? Yes. Was it ever a cause for making takfir? NO.

You, are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

I'd advise you to stay quiet and do some reading, but ignorance will keep you arguing like your fake fool of a shaikh.


Oh yeah, he's a coward as well.

Scimi
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lol not only are you defending sufi speakers but now your quoting this webb clown?

when you're done foaming at the mouth with your insulting ill manners, have a look at the clowns you blindly follow and defend.

https://muslimmodernists.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/10-reasons-why-imam-suhaib-webb-should-be-avoided/
 
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azc said:
brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
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brainwashed ?

sure, go worship fazail amal all you like. I"m not interested in winning battles.


They claim to be allah (astaghfirullah), Zakaria Kandalvi writes:

Yaa Allah, maaf farmana ki hazrat ke irshaad se tahreer hua hai, jhoota hun kuch nahin hun, tera hi zil hai, tera hi wajood hai,
mein kya hun kuch nahin hun (what am i? i'm nothing)
aur woh jo mein hoon woh tu hai (and what i am so are you[Allah])
aur mein aur tu khud shirk der shirk hai (and me and you are shirk upon shirk)
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Sadaqat, Part 2, Fasl 6, Explanation of Hadees 10, Page 407)


Insult of Kaba in Fazail e Amaal:

"And it has been reported from certain buzurgs that some people live in Khurasaan but are close to the ones who perform the Tawaaf. And yet there are some to whom the Ka'bah itself goes to visit them"
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, False 6, Explanation of Hadees 10, Page 88)


Insult of Hazrat Muhammad (sas) in Fazail e Amaal:

They listen Hadith from Allaah, no need of Hazrat Muhammad (sas), no need Jibrail (as) (astaghfirullah).
"I once visited the mosque of the Prophet. I saw Imaam Abdur Razzaq Muhaddith and he was teaching ahadith. The crowd and I listened to the ahadith from him. In one corner of the masjid there was a youngster sitting who had kept his head between his knees away from the crowd. I said, Do you not see that ahadith of the Prophet are being taught? Why don't you also attend the circle? He neither lifted his head nor did he look at me and said, "In that place are those who listen to ahadith from the slave of Razzaq and here are those who listen to ahadith from the Razzaq!..."
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, Fasl 9 - Aadaab e Ziyaarat, Story 9, Page 128-129)


Insult of Sahabah(ra) in Fazail e Amaal:

"After that he made a dua, "O Allaah! With sacrificing the Udhiyah your nearness is achieved. I do not have anything except my life. I present it in your domain. Please accept it." After that, he uttered a scream and died. Then came a voice from the ghaib saying, "He is the friend of Allaah." Malik said that the whole night I was thinking about him. I then saw him in my dream. I asked him "How were you judged?" He said, "Like the martyrs of Badr, and even better." I asked, "How?" He replied, "They were martyred by the swords of the Kuffar and I by the sword of the love for Maula."
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, Fasl 10 Madinah Tayyibah ke Fazail, Story 4, Page 174-175)


Fazail-e-Amaal ki Haqeeqat (Reality of Fazail-e-Amaal)
Lecture by Sheikh Touseef Ur Rahma
http://www.syedtauseef.com/upload/book/Fazail-e-Amaal ki Haqeeqat_English.pdf
 
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Brother i am not a fool.I know how to play with ordinary people.


Read those titles written in Dark colour

It is you written creatively those titles or your Alims...Most importantly that will only spoil your...
Alims misguide ordinary people think whatever good people do is wrong..


Look you cannot be a fool and still have eeman...You need to get critical thinking.

Alims make mistakes.if i point their mistakes and start a debate on them.

A lawyer in a court whatever his case..whether on the good or bad side try to win the case...with all allegations and lies if necessary


Criticising id good...if Alims do not criticize...there will be no Hikmat for people...if people didn't made the daees paining...there will not be a rise in eeman....similar is the case
I totally agree you...there are shortcomings or anything else have no knowledge

I dont know if this hadiths in this meaning...intentions or real meanings of this should be seen by good eyes...if you let yourself shaytan thoughts inside...you will doubt Allah....

look a believer is not the one..who were manufactured in islam university..i always say eeman should flow


can i ask you...if you are 100%_ perfect ....then how many salah you got that divine feel...tearing of eyes


Allah look at our hearts...so i see most people see talk for hatred ...for diversion...
In my locality too ...people dont attent any of salah still complaining of TJ...

Only people with realisation can conwuer eeman

eg:you marry a beautiful wife ...still you can have trouble

you are rich and you dont have peace

whatever you do instead you instead of complaining ..take effort dua yourself....
don't propagate hatred
just do dawah you self...invite people to Allah...i hope you got that much eeman from yoir sheikh or eeman...then why not do it...


Don't limit your life...there is several thing to see.The more you travel the more you see
 
[MENTION=39296]aaj[/MENTION] : See first incident you quoted from fazaile amal is also written in sh ibn al qayyim's book. Now, will you or your scholars issue any fatwa of kufr or shirk on sh ibn al qayyim..?......... Sh Ibn al-Qayyim states in Madarij al-Salikin (vol. 1, p.154)......... ''At times, a spiritual state such as this is called intoxication (sukr), annihilation (istilam), obliteration (muhw) and being in the state of union (jam‘a). They sometimes differentiate between the meanings of these terms and, at times, the prevalent meaning is the seeing of the heart its Beloved and the One it is remembering until he (salik) disappears into Him (God) and becomes annihilated in Him (God) and thinks he is in union with Him (god) and that he (salik) has joined Him (God), rather he thinks he (salik) is He (God).
 
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No group of this ummah is perfect and tj isn't an exception. They are also not perfect. I like their efforts concerning unity of ummah
 

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