From the verse it is evident that counseller (in NIV bible ) or comforter (in KJV bible, which i quoted), cannot come unless jesus goes away, and if jesus goes away then comforter will come. So was holy spirit there when jesus was?
yes the Holy Spirit was around....but the Holy Spirit never stayed like it does now... (if my english is right).. once Jesus came back to the apostles right before the pentecost... which Jesus is qouted Acts 1:4 4 "On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.""
No the verse clearly says "It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." -- Luke 1:35
"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" -- Luke 1:41
"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," --Luke 1:67
"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." -- Luke 2:25
"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." -- Luke 2:26
It is obvioys that Its a requitement for jesus to go and IF jesus goes not then the comforter WILL NOT COME. BUt If jesus DEPART then will he send them. So even if ghost was there in a different form, it still is contradictory to john 16:7
Beside, nowhere does the verse says that Holy Ghost will be different. Where did jesus said that the ghost is gonna be different? It clearly says IF i depart then it WILL come.
Acts 2:1-4 The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost---
1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
yes and that suppose to prove...? Even jesus said that when u preach the holy ghost will speak via u.
the verse says US...now who was the second person in a birth of jesus? i was under the impression MAry was the only ONE who concieved jesus without a male
NO.. when translated correctly "US" means For to world a child is born, to the world a child is given... remember John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Well, then how did u deduce that US is specific to jesus? it could refer to anyone who is born. And incidently, in what language us means world?
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Regarding devinity of jesus, first discuss the verses u posted before: john 10:30 and rest. If u agree with my replies to those verses, then plz lets move on to other verses. There is no point in going in circles.
Now the goverment will be in his shoulder? yes
when in jesus's life was the goverment on his shoulders? lets see Luke 7:39
back then the priest were like Government people, 1. in Luke 5:18 Lord of the Sabbath
1One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
3Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 5Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
there is one..
U just answered my query. U said that "then the priest were like Government people". Well then how does it specifically refers to jesus? What is so specific that it must be relatd to jesus and none else?
Btw, u gave the wrong reference about Luke 5:18. this is what it states
Luke 5:18And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.
R u sure this is what u meant to post., because where in the verse does it say that priest r like goverments?
Luke 5:20-21
Jesus Heals a Paralytic20When
Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."
21The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, "Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
there is two
one more
John 18:17
Jesus Arrested
3So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.
4Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, "Who is it you want?"
5"Jesus of Nazareth," they replied.
and if you don't think those correct.. then why do you think Jesus was crucified in the first place.. if you know what my question means.. judas couldn't just go over to the pharisees and the high priest and say you want this so-so guy who you guys don't even want...
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i think u r trying to prove devinity of jesus from those verses?Well, first discuss the verses u posted before: john 10:30 and rest. If u agree with my replies to those verses, then plz lets move on to other verses. There is no point in going in circles. And i answer to these points.
Regarding the rejection of jews, well thats not new. Most of the messengers of God (like moses) were rejected initially. Even prophet Muhammed was prosecuted, they even tried to poison him.
jesus was rejected by his ppl generally. According to christiandom they even killed him, so when was giverment on his shoulder.
read the above..
And how on earth did u manage to work out this refers to jesus?
by studying....
I think u misunderstood my point. What i was saying was how and when did jesus rule over his ppl? This is what the understanding of goverment is. And how did u manage to work out that this verses refers to JESUS only, there r several candidate who fit the prophecy.
Isaiah 9:7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
When did jesus ever do that? "and upon his kingdom, to order
IT, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from HENCEFOTTH even for ever"
