Do I think he was right - it was his choice, if you went to a nightclub a place you consider is wrong would go in or go away. Exactly you would say not for I am out of here. Would you say I am not going in there because it is wrong? Exactly. So why is his doing that wrong.
Jim Fitzpatrick, Government minister, condemns traditional Muslim wedding
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Do I think he was right - it was his choice, if you went to a nightclub a place you consider is wrong would go in or go away. Exactly you would say not for I am out of here. Would you say I am not going in there because it is wrong? Exactly. So why is his doing that wrong.
A nightclub and a wedding hardly are the same! Nightclub is a public event whereas a Wedding is a personal event. If you feel a place is wrong you wouldn't go there in the first place. I am sure Fitzpatrick was aware that he was attending a Muslim wedding and he is familiar with segregated arrangements as he has attended weddings of that sort before, so for him to disrespect the hosts by walking out is hardly right is it?!
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Are you comparing a nightclub and a wedding together? You bring up a nightclub which you would presumably leave because of modesty and defend a guy who walked out of a segregated wedding he was invited to because of the wedding's modesty?:heated:
Invite me to your wedding. I'll come in, leave, then complain about it to the headlines! :statisfie
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I do not understand the big deal. If Muslims want their weddings segregated, then their going to be segregated, that is the bride/groom's choice. It is their wedding. I won't have mine segregated, and it's my choice. If I wanted it to be, it would be. Jez, people need to just let people do what they want sometimes.
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That's a ridiculous comparison and you know it.
This guy is like a little 2 year old crying to his mother because he didn't like what he saw! The family was nice enough to invite him to their wedding and what did he do? Cry like a baby! Waa waa...get over it.
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Well, you're not going to get invited to many weddings with that attitude, pal.
Exactly.
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This is a stupid example - This is about somebodies wedding not some brothel or nightclub! Leaving a brothel/night club is totally different from leaving from a invited ceremony - you'll never be invited there again and would hurt a lot of people in the process. Think about the bride and groom. Its there day anyway.
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If you don't realise what was wrong about it then you probably don't have any manners, etiquettes, respect, modesty and probably not even a heart to think about others feelings...
either that or you ignorantly didn't bother to read the article
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Minister who left Muslim wedding attacked
Labour peer says criticism of segregation was 'cowardly'
A Labour peer has demanded an apology from Jim Fitzpatrick, the Farming minister, after Mr Fitzpatrick publicly criticised the segregation of men and women at Muslim weddings.
Lord Patel of Blackburn, a senior figure in Britain's Muslim community, accused Mr Fitzpatrick of launching a "cowardly attack" on Muslims who opted for a segregated wedding, accusing him of pandering to "anti-Muslim sentiment" within his constituency.
Mr Fitzpatrick angered many Muslims in his east London constituency when he walked out of a ceremony at the London Muslim Centre last week in protest at being split up from his wife. He also gave interviews suggesting that the custom showed a "degree of intolerance" towards guests who may be offended.
But in a scathing attack on his party colleague, Lord Patel said that Mr Fitzpatrick's stance was merely an attempt to gain votes.
"I suspect Mr Fitzpatrick has one eye on the general election and has mistakenly used this event for political gain," he said. "He is playing to a section of the voters with whom anti-Muslim sentiment is appealing. This is underhand and dangerous."
He warned that Mr Fitzpatrick risked creating "alienation and distrust" within his own community by implying that all Muslims in the area must assimilate for reasons of social cohesion.
The bridegroom has also asked for an apology from Mr Fitzpatrick for "hijacking" the ceremony for political gain. Bodrul Islam said he had been "amazed and shocked" by Mr Fitzpatrick's protest.
The minister blamed the decision to segregate men and women at the ceremony on the Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE), a conservative group with an office at the East London Mosque next door to the wedding venue. However, Mr Islam denied that he or his wife had come under any pressure to separate their guests.
Mr Fitzpatrick yesterday said he had been seeking to highlight the growing influence of the IFE, rather than criticise the wishes of the families involved.
"There was nothing cowardly about the attack on the IFE. It was very direct and very open," he said.
"The IFE are intolerant, not the community. The community is a very generous and open one. My beef is that the IFE is starting to influence the social and political life of the Bangladeshi and Muslim community.
"I have apologised on camera to the families and to the community for any offence that I may have caused. That was not what I was trying to do."
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Labour peer says criticism of segregation was 'cowardly'
A Labour peer has demanded an apology from Jim Fitzpatrick, the Farming minister, after Mr Fitzpatrick publicly criticised the segregation of men and women at Muslim weddings.
Lord Patel of Blackburn, a senior figure in Britain's Muslim community, accused Mr Fitzpatrick of launching a "cowardly attack" on Muslims who opted for a segregated wedding, accusing him of pandering to "anti-Muslim sentiment" within his constituency.
Mr Fitzpatrick angered many Muslims in his east London constituency when he walked out of a ceremony at the London Muslim Centre last week in protest at being split up from his wife. He also gave interviews suggesting that the custom showed a "degree of intolerance" towards guests who may be offended.
But in a scathing attack on his party colleague, Lord Patel said that Mr Fitzpatrick's stance was merely an attempt to gain votes.
"I suspect Mr Fitzpatrick has one eye on the general election and has mistakenly used this event for political gain," he said. "He is playing to a section of the voters with whom anti-Muslim sentiment is appealing. This is underhand and dangerous."
He warned that Mr Fitzpatrick risked creating "alienation and distrust" within his own community by implying that all Muslims in the area must assimilate for reasons of social cohesion.
The bridegroom has also asked for an apology from Mr Fitzpatrick for "hijacking" the ceremony for political gain. Bodrul Islam said he had been "amazed and shocked" by Mr Fitzpatrick's protest.
The minister blamed the decision to segregate men and women at the ceremony on the Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE), a conservative group with an office at the East London Mosque next door to the wedding venue. However, Mr Islam denied that he or his wife had come under any pressure to separate their guests.
Mr Fitzpatrick yesterday said he had been seeking to highlight the growing influence of the IFE, rather than criticise the wishes of the families involved.
"There was nothing cowardly about the attack on the IFE. It was very direct and very open," he said.
"The IFE are intolerant, not the community. The community is a very generous and open one. My beef is that the IFE is starting to influence the social and political life of the Bangladeshi and Muslim community.
"I have apologised on camera to the families and to the community for any offence that I may have caused. That was not what I was trying to do."
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What forces a person to say such a thing is desperation,desperately trying to milk votes using the status quo the country is in with all the muslim hate going on
it seems that if you want to win over hearts you defame the muslims but unluckily for him he just had a big bite at the hand that fed him
it seems that if you want to win over hearts you defame the muslims but unluckily for him he just had a big bite at the hand that fed him
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Is this a difficult question?
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Uthmān;1204715 said:
Thank you Uthman
For the sake of simplicity and because this thread was about a wedding let’s put to one side for the moment the question of separating the sexes in a mosque.
The link you provided states . . . .
In explaining this Verse, Ibn Kathir (May Allaah have mercy on him) said: "Meaning, as I forbade you to enter their rooms, I forbid you to look at them at all. If one wants to take something from a woman, one should do so without looking at her. If one wants to ask a woman for something, the same has to be done from behind a screen."
Of course I don’t know the strength of this (hadith?) but by the bye . .
I can’t see where in this text it states that men and women should not be in the same room together or that husbands and wives should not sit side by side? What it does say is that all men at all times in all places must not look at a women and all women in all places at all times must should be behind a screen. To enable life to function that presumably would mean all women wearing the burka and as the vast majority of muslim women do not cover their face that must mean that they don’t believe this hadith is binding?
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Islamically, the rulings don't have to come from the Quran and sunnah literally. meaning a verse/hadith doesn't literally have to say such and such is forbidden/permitted, rather scholars are able to deduce their rulings from the "fine lines" that appears within.
so please, as we highly regard and respect our scholars-and rightfully so, don't come and voice your opinion as to suggest that they don't know what they are doing!
so please, as we highly regard and respect our scholars-and rightfully so, don't come and voice your opinion as to suggest that they don't know what they are doing!
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Which scholar is that, the one that tells you what your heart wants to hear or the one that tells you what your head fears may be true?
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Can I take it from the lack of supporting evidence that there is nothing in the Qu’ran, hadith etc., that says that a man may not sit with his wife at a wedding? And if that’s the case, would all of you above who condemned this minister care to write him an apology?
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must have thought hard for that one. What did we condemn this minister for Thinker? shouldn't be tellin porkies and put the blame on others should we?
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people who jump to conclusions without knowledge and insist on viewing things with a closed mind to suit their lame views is nothing but a show of their own ignorance, hence i wonder how worthy their words and statements really are.
it would have been better if you had taken it that perhaps we have better things to do than to answer a person who refuses to listen and thinks his views are better and more correct than those who have more knowledge...
nope, becuase we have nothing to apologize for.
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What's there to apologize for? Apologize for following my beliefs and because he's too ignorant to understand? He went around crying like a baby over it. That's like asking me to give him flowers because he hated my wedding ceremony and went on bragging about it. Why does he start itching over something as simple as this? Nonsense..
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