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Assalamu Alaikum and greetings,

HeiGou said:
And "Paki" just means someone who is pure. And the N-word refers to someone who is Black. It is not what it means, it is how it is intended.

Personally I am proud to be a kafir.

The "n" word is a racist term, has nothing to do with religion, so you cant compare the word "kafir" to the 'n' word. secondly, the 'n' word was used to belittle all black people and make them less human, this is clearly a word of insult without definition, just look at the history.

Personally, i rarely use the word kafir/kufaar and if i did, it shouldnt insult anyone. If you can claim to be a disbeliever of Islam, then you shouldnt mind being called a kafir.

aamirsaab said:
His point is people are using kafir in the wrong term: kafir means disbeliever in islam, however you see comments like: oh don't listen to him, he's a dirty kafir. This is an insult - not a fact. Also, you see other comments like: "he's kafir therefore he smells". It leads to a form of racism you know. I don't go around calling people kafir cus i think it's anti social.

yea, but if someone said "dont listen to him because he's a kaffir" without adding in all the adjectives and imagery, why should they be insulted?

aamirsaab said:
"Oh hello Kafir, thanks for the maths lesson. I enjoyed being taught by a kafir. Wanna come round my house for some tea, kafir? Actually, you can't as my house is a kafir-free zone." Not exactly doing me any favours whilst I live in a kafir-run country is it.

ok and then thats taking the obvious and abusing it.

i think wherever a person can use the word "nonmuslim" respectively, they can also replace it with the word "kafir" respectively. No need to add anything to it to make it seem worse or better. a kafir is a kafir, nothing more, nothing less.

fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
To receive respect you have to give it.

If we all treated each other with respect, whether muslim, christian, jew etc., both for the person and their beliefs we would be living in a much better world.

Exactly. Completely compatible with the teachings of Islam. If you want to make a point, do it respectfully. Most non-muslims in this forum ive noticed are disrespectful. I mean for things that are so obvious...they sound like they have some kind of superior authority to judge Islam and the words of God. But if their intentions are right then Alhamdulillah...no problem...you can pass your comments about Islam respectfully and like civilzed humans.
Good point.
 
Exactly. Completely compatible with the teachings of Islam. If you want to make a point, do it respectfully. Most non-muslims in this forum ive noticed are disrespectful. I mean for things that are so obvious...they sound like they have some kind of superior authority to judge Islam and the words of God. But if their intentions are right then Alhamdulillah...no problem...you can pass your comments about Islam respectfully and like civilzed humans.
Good point.
Exactly. Completely compatible with the teachings of Islam. If you want to make a point, do it respectfully.
I like what you say in the first part.
Most non-muslims in this forum ive noticed are disrespectful.
I would have to disagree with the second part though. "Most" is not true, "some", yes. Just like some muslims in the forum are very rude. Fair is fair.
 
You know the German poem that goes "if you will not be my Brother, I will smash your skull in"?


Look man I was talking abt Islam & Arabic word not abt any poem, Islam is peacefull religion, jsut try tu study Islam a bit u will say its perfect religion to follow
 
Kafirs are non-muslims who will find out what is in store for them on the Day of Judgement. Full Stop. No Arguments.

How true Sister, and what about munafiqs? I hope they are worse than kafirs, will they too find out what is in store for them on the day of judgement?

And I agree that kafirs should not mind when being called a kafir, and with the same parameters, munafiqs should not mind too. :)

Thanks.
 
How true Sister, and what about munafiqs? I hope they are worse than kafirs, will they too find out what is in store for them on the day of judgement?

And I agree that kafirs should not mind when being called a kafir, and with the same parameters, munafiqs should not mind too. :)

Thanks.

Salaam

See I know what your getting at, I don't get it how come you a non-muslim refer to muslims as a munafiq, I don't think you have any right to judge a muslim.
 
Salaam

See I know what your getting at, I don't get it how come you a non-muslim refer to muslims as a munafiq, I don't think you have any right to judge a muslim.

Brother its good to know that U understand wht I mean, why dont u refute it? And brother I dont refer to all muslims as munafiqeen, offcourse few are muslims, but most are not but munafiqeen, I m sure about it.

And brother, I agree that I have no right to judge a muslim, or anyone. But I have right to share my opinion and I m just using my right. U should have no objection to it. But U are welcome to let me know if I m wrong brother.

Thanks.
 
I think this pretty much sums it up:

Question

As-salamu `alaykum,

I want to know the concept of infidels/kafirs in Islam. Does it refer to all non-Muslims including People of the Book? Is it okay to call them kafirs/infidels.

Also, in Surat Al-Kafirun, who are the kafirun who are being addressed?

Jazakum Allah khairan.

Name of Counsellor Jasser Auda

Answer

Salam, Muslimah.

Thank you for your question, which I think is an important one.

First of all, the word “kafir” does not necessarily mean “infidel” as you mentioned in your question. The word “kafir” (and variations of it) is mentioned in the Qur’an in five different senses:

1. Kufr al-tawheed: to reject the belief in the Oneness of God. The Qur’an says what means:
*{As to those who reject faith (kafaru), it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe }* (Al-Baqarah 2:6)

2. Kufr al-ni`mah: to lack gratefulness to God or to people. The Qur’an says what means:
*{Therefore remember Me, I will remember you, and be thankful to Me, and do not be ungrateful to Me (la takfurun)}* (Al-Baqarah 2:152)

*{[Pharaoh] said [to Moses]: … And you did [that] deed of yours which you did, and you are one of the ungrateful (kafireen)}* (Ash-Shu`araa’ 26:18-19)

3. Kufr at-tabarri: to disown/clear oneself from. The Qur’an says what means:
*{Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people: “Surely we are clear of you (kafarna bekom).”}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:4)

4. Kufr al-juhud: to deny. The Qur’an says what means:
*{When there comes to them that which they [should] have recognized, they deny (kafaru) it.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:89)

5. Kufr at-taghtiyah: to hide/bury something, like planting a seed in the ground. The Qur’an says what means:
*{The likeness of vegetation after rain, whereof the growth is pleasing to the husbandmen/tillers (kuffar.}* (Al-Hadid 57:20)

Exegesis (tafseer) scholars decide as to which meaning of the word “kufr/kafir” is meant in a specific verse based on the context. Therefore, not every use of the root “ka fa ra” means the rejection of faith. For example, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned some of his companions from becoming “kuffar” after his death, he did not mean that they would become disbelievers but rather that they would become ungrateful to Allah, for the blessing of unity, when they fight each other after his death.

Regarding whether to call non-Muslims “kuffar” or not, the answer is that we should call people the names that the Qur’an gave them. In the Qur’an, you will not find a single “O disbelievers” (“Ya Kuffar”, “Ya ayuhalathina kafaru”, or “Ya ayuhal-kafirun”) other than in the following two places:

1. In Hellfire, we seek refuge in Allah from it. The Qur’an says what means:
*{[Then it will be said]: “O ye who disbelieve (Ya ayuhalathina kafaru)! Make no excuses for yourselves this day.}* (At-Tahrim 66:7)

So, it is something that is said to them by Allah Almighty or by the angels, not by us.

2. In Surat Al-Kafirun (109) that you mentioned in your question. It says what means:
*{Say [O Muhammad]: “O ye that reject faith (al-Kafirun)! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship.”}*

But this surah is addressing Prophet Muhammad and therefore must be understood in its historical context. Allah is asking Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to address a group of leaders from Makkah who offered him the following deal: That they all —including Muhammad— worship God for one year and then they all worship the idols for the next year, and so on. That is why Allah asked him to address them in this term “rejecters of faith” and to refuse to accept this kind of deal.

In the rest of the Qur’an, however, the Qur’anic style followed two principals:

1. To label certain sayings or actions to be sayings or actions of kufr (disbelief or rejection of faith), without labeling any specific group of people with that name and calling them with it. For example, the Qur’an says what means:
*{Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely God is the third [person] of the three. And there is no god but One God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve [reject]. Will they not then turn to Allah and ask His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman.}* (Al-Ma’idah 5:73-75)

2. To distinguish clearly between idol-worshippers, on one hand, and believers in God and a Script that went through a phase of corruption, on the other hand. Allah called the later group only by the name “People of the Book.” For example, the Qur’an says what means:
*{Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you [people] back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. But, forgive and overlook, till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:109)

*{It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering [of the forces]. Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the [wrath of] Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected [it], and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes [to see]!}* (Al-Hashr 59:2)

In today’s world, we should use the same term “People of the Book” with Christians and Jews, or call them Christians and Jews, if they wish to be called so, or simply call them “non-Muslims”.

As for dealing with non-Muslims, the general rule is mentioned in the verse that says what means:
*{Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (birr) and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)

And notice that the word “birr” (translated as kindness) that Allah used in this context is the same word that is used for the type of kindness that a Muslim should show his/her parents as in birr al-walidain )kindness to parents)!!

Finally, it is fair enough before labeling any person as a “rejecter of faith” to make sure that he/she is clearly aware of that faith and what it entails. In my view, most people in today’s world did not reject the message because simply they are not aware of what Islam is. This is largely due to the biased international media and to Muslims themselves falling short to present their religion properly to the world. These uninformed people, again in my view, could only fall under the verse that says what means:
*{No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger.}* (Al-Israa’ 17:15)

And Allah knows best.

Thank you again for your question and please keep in touch.

Salam.

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It is not uncommon for christians to refer to nonchristians as 'infidels'. I wonder as an experiment, how members would feel if when refering to others as kafirs, they were referred to in response as an 'infidel'. I may try this. I will post here the result if it happens.
It may change the way some people on this forum address us kafirs. Perhaps it would open some eyes. However, I most likely see you just getting banned!
 
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Why can't people just say Non-Muslims. Is it really that hard, if you tell someone that he/she is an kafir and they know what it means it's pretty obvious they'll get offended. It will create hatred against muslims even more like we haven't had enough of that anyways, be polite and respectful and use the right words.
 
My dear brother (Inshallah) do u know the meaning of Arabic word KAFIR
 
The word "kaffir" was used during apartied in SA to mean, roughly, "filthy nigger" x 10. I just hope one of you muslims doesn't say it to the wrong person!
 

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