Kids throwing rocks at a feul convoy in Iraq.

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I understand the hatred the Iraqi people may have for the USA. I don't understand the reasoning behind letting their children put themselves in harms way. If these kids get killed their parents and others will be making gruesome videos about their kids being "collateral damage". Maybe this is what the parents actually want.:?
 
Isaac said:
but it doesnt sop there, if these people instead of throwing rocks, fred lve ammunition will that be justified, or will people then say why cant they let ther be peace? i may be confusing peple here, but im just tryna get a point across, that the people regardless whether tehre throwing rocks or firing live ammo will ever be seen in a good light. look up the word resistnace then you might get at where im tryna go with this.
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salam.
bro a good point there :happy:
but you need to think about most people there are innocent and getting killed for nothing and are pulled out from there hmoes which just shows civil manner between each one another also people who are loosing the family from war to war!

also i nwant to make a point from bro pentntion (hope i spelt it right if not am so sorry :uhwhat )

as the bro said by throwing stones people are still going to kill aren't they??
w.salam
 
searchingsoul said:
I understand the hatred the Iraqi people may have for the USA. I don't understand the reasoning behind letting their children put themselves in harms way. If these kids get killed their parents and others will be making gruesome videos about their kids being "collateral damage". Maybe this is what the parents actually want.:?
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Greetings.
no this is not what the parents want, but if this is what hapning around them why should they cope with it and also why are people who are inocent being killed??
take care
 
I was thinking about this, I have refrained from commenting for the last day or so. But anyhow, I personally see many possabilities as to why these kids are out here. Ranging from, Parents not looking after them to Parents of the kids having to fight in resistance and kids joining them, the First I see someting wrong with the second, given circumstances I would understand.

But one thing I was gonna say, and I am worried about saying this, but based on this video, just this short clip, I am kinda not surprised because I know some soldiers go by rules, but I guess, happy in a way to see these two dudes not snapping. It has made me think alot, about Police you know how they are abused, people shouting metres from them and Police not using unneccesary violence, What the soldier said about the stone killing them is true, and most people would have got out and killed the kids.

Maybe the soldiers did in the end, maybe they didnt. But I am basing my view on what I saw in the clip and I think though these soldiers cursed at the kids I was kinda relieved to see them abiding by the some what rules.

NOW, I AM NOT SYAING THE SOLDIERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE, AND I AM NOT TAKING SIDE WITH THEM.

Salam Aleykum
 
islamgyal said:
Greetings.
no this is not what the parents want, but if this is what hapning around them why should they cope with it and also why are people who are inocent being killed??
take care
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It may not be what the parents want but sadly it may be what the parents get.

Why are innocent people being killed? It is a war zone that is why. We may not agree with the war but parents need to recognize that it does exist.

I'm just asking parents to love their kids more than any "cause" they may support.
 
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Man it's a shame the kids are throwing the stones, the men should be.
 
searchingsoul said:
It may not be what the parents want but sadly it may be what the parents get.

Why are innocent people being killed? It is a war zone that is why. We may not agree with the war but parents need to recognize that it does exist.

I'm just asking parents to love their kids more than any "cause" they may support.
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well am sure they do love their kids but if the innocent people are getting killed for nothing and wars anr just starting and there no level where they stop then don't you think this is just ill civil manner behaviour???
why let the love ones die?? why see the innnocent harm???? why start wars from a to b???
 
islamgyal said:
well am sure they do love their kids but if the innocent people are getting killed for nothing and wars anr just starting and there no level where they stop then don't you think this is just ill civil manner behaviour???
why let the love ones die?? why see the innnocent harm???? why start wars from a to b???
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Wars are started by governments. People like ourselves have little control over wars.

I understand that people get killed for nothing. Putting your kids in danger will not stop a war. It will only increase the chances of them getting injured or killed.
 
Kids were throwing stones and swearing at UK troops for a long time in N. Ireland, it's nothing new.
 
fair enough, but some of these guys were well in there early/mid 20's, do you think their pearents are gona have any control over them. juts like we have ghetto youths here, you have them there. you have people who are not suppose to be in places doing things they shouldnt everywhere. if they were kids age 10-15 i could understand parents should have more control, but they were hardly that. were talking iraQ, wwere these people have nothing better to do, they live in poorer parts of iraq, whre there is no work, no education. they just hang about. we have this same problm here, when youths would call out fireengines and pelt themw ith rocks, can you blame tehre parents. fdo tehre parents even know they are out there throwing rocks. im sure if they knew they would try there best to keep them away. you honestly think that they would wnat there kids out there in such situations.????
 
searchingsoul said:
If Allah hated America do you think he would have destroyed her by now?
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I never said Allaah S.W.T hated america. I said that there is no super power Allaah is the only super power and if Allaah wills he could destory america. Allaah (God) is the only super power in this world. The fact america thinks that no one can stop them is a false thinking Allaah could stop them. But muslims themselves have gone astray dividing the religion of god creating there own cultures in Islam. Also there wasnt many practising muslims even me until the wrath on Allaah came on muslims we reverted back to Islam. Have you not noticed that men living in caves living thousands of centuary back from america are killing american troops the so called super power of the world. Does that not make you think that someone more powerful is helping these people. America weapons are no compare to theres but they have something even stronger which I know is believe in Allaah. Thats the only thing that can give victory to muslims not stronger weapons, more fighters, but trust in Allaah S.W.T the lord of the worlds. Rocks VS Machine guns and Atomic bombs. Inshallaah whent he victory comes don't be surprised.
 
primitivefuture said:
What if the parents were already killed by the troops?
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Got any proof?

That kind of reasoning is the very same that crazy right-wingers use to justify the Demenezes fiasco - 'what if he WAS a terrorist?'

We don't know the reason these kids were allowed to throw rocks, we don't know anything about their parents, and their life story from a Google video, so please, let's just stop speculating on subjects we have no chance of ever comprehending. At best this thread will get off-topic and be locked, and at worst people will start mudslinging, be warned, and the topic will be locked.
 
muezzin said:
Got any proof?

That kind of reasoning is the very same that crazy right-wingers use to justify the Demenezes fiasco - 'what if he WAS a terrorist?'

We don't know the reason these kids were allowed to throw rocks, we don't know anything about their parents, and their life story from a Google video, so please, let's just stop speculating on subjects we have no chance of ever comprehending. At best this thread will get off-topic and be locked, and at worst people will start mudslinging, be warned, and the topic will be locked.
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I never made a conclusion, but that is a possibility. I hate it how Westerners come to quick conclusions and assumptions. Just like searchingsoul suggesting that the parents were careless or that they wanted their kids killed to make propaganda out of it.

That is when things get dangerous quick.
 
Im glad noone is mad at me,

Anyhow, I think the parents more than 'a cause'

Its just the thing, would you rather fight what you believe to be opression or jus be subdued, so when you die your kids gonna be worse off?
As Malcolm Said
"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary."

Theres no pointin living life without any form of freedom, if these parents feel their freedom is gonna be taken away, might aswell put up a fight and die in the course of getting it back.
 
primitivefuture said:
I never made a conclusion, but that is a possibility. I hate it how Westerners come to quick conclusions and assumptions. Just like searchingsoul suggesting that the parents were careless or that they wanted their kids killed to make propaganda out of it.

That is when things get dangerous quick.
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Westerners come to quick conclusions?

Akhi,..............................................

Erm,...i wont point out the hypocricy..
 
Isaac said:
so the point im tryna conlcude is that why rus to critise those who are trying to denfed themsleves, those who have no real future due to this war, those whos parents, familes have been destroyed, thse who have no sight of an education.
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Why critisize them? Because I expect them to value the safety of their children, nothing else.
 
Isaac said:
fair enough, but some of these guys were well in there early/mid 20's, do you think their pearents are gona have any control over them. juts like we have ghetto youths here, you have them there. you have people who are not suppose to be in places doing things they shouldnt everywhere. if they were kids age 10-15 i could understand parents should have more control, but they were hardly that. were talking iraQ, wwere these people have nothing better to do, they live in poorer parts of iraq, whre there is no work, no education. they just hang about. we have this same problm here, when youths would call out fireengines and pelt themw ith rocks, can you blame tehre parents. fdo tehre parents even know they are out there throwing rocks. im sure if they knew they would try there best to keep them away. you honestly think that they would wnat there kids out there in such situations.????
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I understand your point if these "kids" are in their 20's. In this case they are not kids at all and the video is named incorrectly.
 

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