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It's a strange form of xenophobia that is not limited to certain silly commentators who are also American.

A similar phenomenon occurred when the British child Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal - those Brits who weren't blaming the McCanns themselves for the girl's disappearance were busy painting Portugal's police force as incompetent idiots who were completely useless compared to Scotland Yard.

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Yeah, I was following that case too.. admittedly it broke my heart... I don't handle child abduction cases well imsad
I think sometimes it is better to think these children dead than to play in ones mind the endless horrible things that could be happening to them at the hands of very sick people!

May Allah swt safeguard us and our loved ones from such horrors.
 
I read a very fascinating and exhaustive article about this case in the Vanity Fair last year.
Vanity Fair is a magazine known for its high standard of investigative journalism, and the article clearly established that Amanda Knox is guilty for the heinous murder.

And she only gets 25 years in jail and possible reduction?
Western justice is so twisted.

I'm sorry, but I don't think 25 years is a light sentence. You only live once, and if you spend your youth rotting away bored stiff in a damp jail cell away from your family and friends, then I think that is rather harsh. Although she definetly deserves it.
 
The penalty for death is death.. however in this case it is understandable given some of the variables.. But no, having a roof over your head, three square meals a day, health benefits and conjugal visits hardly seems like an equivalent punishment, considering there are some good folk in the world who have committed no crimes and have far less than that!



something to think about when pondering the 'harshness of her sentence'

all the best
 
The penalty for death is death.. however in this case it is understandable given some of the variables.. But no, having a roof over your head, three square meals a day, health benefits and conjugal visits hardly seems like an equivalent punishment, considering there are some good folk in the world who have committed no crimes and have far less than that!



something to think about when pondering the 'harshness of her sentence'

all the best


Seeing as Italy does not have the death penalty, the punishment for murder is actually around the time she got, so I believe it's fair. I know I certainly wouldn't to be locked up for twenty five years. The boredom would be excrutiating. And I also believe in second chances and mercy.
 
Seeing as Italy does not have the death penalty, the punishment for murder is actually around the time she got, so I believe it's fair. I know I certainly wouldn't to be locked up for twenty five years. The boredom would be excrutiating. And I also believe in second chances and mercy.

As I have stated given several variables, it was probably the best option, that is if she indeed serves it and doesn't call in the troops on the tax payers money to save her guilty ass.. the fact that they are already getting senators involved tells me that this will be another Michael Peter Fay where he got his sentences reduced for theft and vandalism in a foreign country plus got paid an obscene amount per flog received!

It doesn't seem like anyone spends much time thinking of the victim..

she was a daughter, a sister and a friend to someone.. and this case somehow manages to be about this other pervert and her woes..

to pay for your sin is to be expiated from them and to be given a second chance is to have God's forgiveness as well!

People approach crime in this cartoonish unrealistic manner -- when people are murdered it is over, there are no second chances..


all the best
 
I'm sorry, but I don't think 25 years is a light sentence. You only live once, and if you spend your youth rotting away bored stiff in a damp jail cell away from your family and friends, then I think that is rather harsh. Although she definetly deserves it.



I think a long-life sentence is far more better than 25 years, as Italy no longer uses the deathpenalty. I mean come on, the girl took a human life and all she gets for a punishment is 25 years in prison. And you say that is harsh. It is truly a pity that westerners do not understand the the term 'justice'. Why is was the deathpenalty canceled, has Europe forgotten a little thing called 'justice'. :raging:

May Allah (swt) protect us from such horrors.
 
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As I have stated given several variables, it was probably the best option, that is if she indeed serves it and doesn't call in the troops on the tax payers money to save her guilty ass.. the fact that they are already getting senators involved tells me that this will be another Michael Peter Fay where he got his sentences reduced for theft and vandalism in a foreign country plus got paid an obscene amount per flog received!

It doesn't seem like anyone spends much time thinking of the victim..

she was a daughter, a sister and a friend to someone.. and this case somehow manages to be about this other pervert and her woes..

to pay for your sin is to be expiated from them and to be given a second chance is to have God's forgiveness as well!

People approach crime in this cartoonish unrealistic manner -- when people are murdered it is over, there are no second chances..


all the best



Ah, there is always a second chance.
 
Altough I support the death penalty, If someone does not repent in the face of death then he will never repent.
 
Bring back Meridith from the grave then to her family and friends!

This is irelevant, we are all bound for heaven eventually, I dont need to ''bring'' anybody back from the grave.

Her friends and family know she is in the heavens.

As for the culprit if he repents with all his heart he to will be in the heavens.

Because God is just and mercifull.

all the best

Indeed.
 
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This is irelevant, we are all bound for heaven eventually, I dont need to ''bring'' anybody back from the grave.
Quite relevant when you write this:
Ah, there is always a second chance.


Her friends and family know she is in the heavens.
I am sure that solaces them that their daughter was brutally murdered to a woman who gets off after a mere slap on the wrist. Also the crime isn't simply about those left behind and where they find their solace, but to the life snuffed out at 22!
As for the culprit if he repents with all his heart he to will be in the heavens.

Because God is just and mercifull.

Indeed.
What does this have to do with anything written. 'second chances' are divine in quality.. we are still bound by earthly justice and laws while here!
What if they converted to Islam? Would they under that condition, in your opinion, be granted a second chance?


I think I have made it quite clear that second chances (as pertains to eternity) are divine in nature.. where matters are divine in nature, they are not subject to idle forumers. We are concerned with earthly justice so long as we are bound by earthly laws.. any matter of repentance, heaven/hell/eternity is between one and God!

all the best
 
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Something that bothers me in these cases is that the girl typically gets off easier than the boyfriend, playing on society's stereotype of women as victims. In this case it seems justice escaped that trap.
 
What does this have to do with anything written. 'second chances' are divine in quality.. we are still bound by earthly justice and laws while here!

Second chances are here and now. Anyone can start anew.

This girl was young, young people sometimes do stupid things.

we must Never lose faith that a bad person can change and do a greater good.

But you are shutting the door to any of that, because you are overwhelmed by emotion.

I am sure that solaces them that their daughter was brutally murdered to a woman who gets off after a mere slap on the wrist. Also the crime isn't simply about those left behind and where they find their solace, but to the life snuffed out at 22!
Its easy to be an armchair general such as yourself, and saying that she deserves this or that... As for me I rather withold judgement, as I was not there to see the circusmtances of this crime by myself, I take account of the info but I dont go on rambling about issues in which I am not an expert.

Doing so is Biggotry.


But I absolutely believe that everyone no matter what deserves a second chance here and now if he or her is willing to change his life.
 
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Second chances are here and now. Anyone can start anew.

Hence I commented if you believe in second chances in the here and now, bring meridith from the grave back to life!

This girl was young, young people do stupid things.
cutting class and herbing up is stupid.. murder is a cardinal sin!

we must Never lose faith that a bad person can change and do a greater good.
The faith isn't ours to keep or give away, as stated repentance is a matter divine in nature!
But you are shutting the door to any of that, because you are overwhelmed by emotion.
How so?
Its easy to be an armchair general such as yourself, and saying that she deserves this or that... As for me I rather withold judgement, as I was not there to see the circusmtances of this crime by myself, I take account of the info but I dont go on rambling about issues in which I am not an expert.
I didn't decide her judgment, folks presented with the facts of her case decided on a guilty verdict.. whereas I personally believe in the death penalty, I believe given the circumstances of this case, the sentence is appropriate.. spare me your satisfaction of overly simplistic conclusions!

Doing so is Biggotry.
How so?
But I absolutely believe that everyone no matter what deserves a second chance here and now if he or her is willing to change his life.
Good for you!

all the best!
 
her parents are equally disgusting but that is a story for another day..
If you were that Girls mother you would probably have the same reaction, you would be in denial at first ''could my little girl really be a murderer?'' and '' where did we go wrong?''

They just can’t repudiate their daughter just like that, I’m sure they thought she was their precious little girl that was just plainly incapable of this horrid act. They are revolting themselves against the thought that their daughter is a murderer, just think about it for a moment? Could you react any different at first? After 26 years of bringing up a daughter as best you could??

You have absolutely no right to judge any of them!

I’m sure they are in pain and my prayers are with both them and the victims family who must also be in pain.


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If you were that Girls mother you would probably have the same reaction, you would be in denial at first ''could my little girl really be a murderer?'' and '' where did we go wrong?''
Given that it is her step-mother (If you were indeed following the case), I would indeed question where I went wrong!

They just can’t repudiate their daughter just like that, I’m sure they thought she was their precious little girl that was just plainly incapable of this horrid act. They are revolting themselves against the thought that their daughter is a murderer, just think about it for a moment? Could you react any different at first? After 26 years of bringing up a daughter as best you could??
Again, the girl is neither 26 nor is the lady on TV her actual mother ( have you been following the case?) you should generally educate yourself on a topic before writing about it.. I don't need to take her shoes-- people generally shouldn't raise their daughters to be w*ores who enjoy orgies and forcing roommates into sex games, be druggies and/or murderers.. it isn't common even in the west.. certainly evil has been born of good and vice versa.. what did Noah (P) do t save his son or Abraham (p) to his father? again, food for thought before the self-righteous humbug of peering through a murderers point of view!
You have absolutely no right to judge any of them!
I think you are having difficulty following both the case and the thread.. you know it is OK to walk away if you have nothing of substance to impart!
It won't dawn on folks how virtuous you are for empathy toward a convicted murder, I fear in fact it is doing the opposite!

I’m sure they are in pain and my prayers are with both them and the victims family.
Again, good for you-- you do that!

all the best


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By the way, i heard that there is now appeal. US will intervene/pressure to get Amanda get out of the country based on misused trial, possible?

My heart goes to Meredith Kercher and her families in this difficult times,

"I think the best way to say it is we are very satisfied with the verdict," said John Kercher, Jr., seated between his parents, and Meredith's other surviving siblings Lyle and Stephanie. "Ultimately we are pleased with the decision but it's not time for celebration. We are gathered here because our sister was brutally murdered, taken away from us."

defense lawyers had aggressively attacked both the validity of the material evidence in the case, and the prosecution's lively theory of a "sex game gone wrong," but the Kercher family expressed no doubts. "I would say if the evidence has been presented then you have to agree with that," said Arline Kercher, Meredith's mother. "At the end of the day you have to go on the evidence, there is nothing else."

Source
 
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By the way, i heard that there is now appeal. US will intervene/pressure to get Amanda get out of the country based on misused trial, possible?

My heart goes to Meredith Kercher and her families in this difficult times,

"I think the best way to say it is we are very satisfied with the verdict," said John Kercher, Jr., seated between his parents, and Meredith's other surviving siblings Lyle and Stephanie. "Ultimately we are pleased with the decision but it's not time for celebration. We are gathered here because our sister was brutally murdered, taken away from us."

defense lawyers had aggressively attacked both the validity of the material evidence in the case, and the prosecution's lively theory of a "sex game gone wrong," but the Kercher family expressed no doubts. "I would say if the evidence has been presented then you have to agree with that," said Arline Kercher, Meredith's mother. "At the end of the day you have to go on the evidence, there is nothing else."

Source


Yes they are getting senators involved.. it is really very sad how they won't even give this family time to heal.. insult to injury!

I have to believe that justice will be served one way or the other, even if they get this girl out of jail by some heroic means!
 
I don't know if Italy has the death penalty but no matter, I am glad they found her guilty

There is no death penalty in Europe. Were you born and raised in the US? Do Americans know the Capital of Italy ;D

(just kidding)

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