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Chuck said:
I've reservations about that site. Islam online is more credible imo.
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what are ur reservations and what has he said wrong in that fatwa- he made up the hadiths or something?

Somebody tell that to Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Turkey!
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yeh maybe america should :p
 
amani said:
what are ur reservations and what has he said wrong in that fatwa- he made up the hadiths or something?
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Article goes on just more than head of state. The article is saying women should not hold any public position which adds more than the hadith. In the time of Caliph `Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, you find women in charge in market places.

Read the following 2 links from Islamonline and compare:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548828

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar
 
mohammed_alim said:
could some one please tell me in islam are women allowed to be leaders of a muslim country?
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Without going into any hadith or the like.

I do not see how it would be possible in a "True" Muslim Country. Stop and think, what would be some of the expected duties of a Muslim Head of a country?

Is it not one of the duties for the head of an Islamic Nation to lead in the daily prayers?
 
Chuck said:
Article goes on just more than head of state. The article is saying women should not hold any public position which adds more than the hadith. In the time of Caliph `Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, you find women in charge in market places.

Read the following 2 links from Islamonline and compare:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548828

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar
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what does the market story have to do with women being leaders of state..?
 
amani said:
what does the market story have to do with women being leaders of state..?
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Did you read what I said?
You asked: "what has he said wrong in that fatwa- he made up the hadiths or something?"

I said: "Article [fatwa] goes on just more than head of state. The article is saying women should not hold any public position which adds more than the hadith."

Market was just an example to show that women where in charge in market place. Didn't Aisha (ra) took leading role in a war?
 
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Chuck said:
Did you read what I said?
You asked: "what has he said wrong in that fatwa- he made up the hadiths or something?"

I said: "Article [fatwa] goes on just more than head of state. The article is saying women should not hold any public position which adds more than the hadith."

Market was just an example to show that women where in charge in market place. Didn't Aisha (ra) took leading role in a war?
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yes i did and i see the difference. the link i posted goes against htat first link u posted with regards to judges/political figures etc. infact the first link u posted mentions ibn hazam..who was directly quoted with something else on the link i posted.
Big time differences of opinion.
Allah knows best
 
amani said:
yes i did and i see the difference. the link i posted goes against htat first link u posted with regards to judges/political figures etc. infact the first link u posted mentions ibn hazam..who was directly quoted with something else on the link i posted.
Big time differences of opinion.
Allah knows best
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could one safely assume that, that site is dedicated to presenting and promoting the official **"Al-Saud family" version of everything (which includes treatment of women).

In my opinion people on that site will do anything to promote their own ideas and suppress any opinion that would contradict the official **"Al-Saud family version of Islam".

wa salaam

**edit: to amend a misnomer
 
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doorster said:
could one safely assume that, that site is dedicated to presenting and promoting the official Saudi version of everything (which includes treatment of women).

In my opinion people on that site will do anything to promote their own ideas and suppress any opinion that would contradict the "official Saudi Islam".

wa salaam
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I doubt it that is official Saudi version, I've spoken to reputed Saudi scholars and they don't speak like who ever is writing fatwa on Islamqa. Writer on Islamqa doesn't sound very scholarly in the first place.
 
Chuck said:
I doubt it that is official Saudi version, I've spoken to reputed Saudi scholars and they don't speak like who ever is writing fatwa on Islamqa. Writer on Islamqa doesn't sound very scholarly in the first place.
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ok jazakallah khair I shall amend my post to reflect that
 
doorster said:
could one safely assume that, that site is dedicated to presenting and promoting the official **"Al-Saud family" version of everything (which includes treatment of women).

In my opinion people on that site will do anything to promote their own ideas and suppress any opinion that would contradict the official **"Al-Saud family version of Islam".

wa salaam

**edit: to amend a misnomer
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theres not 'al saud version' theres Quran and Sunnah, we take what is Quran and sunnah and there is no this and that version...yes there is difference of opinion...but that link gave daleel from the Quran/Sunnah and from the scholars of the salaf..so if you want to refute feel free...

and yes chuck the sheikh answering the questions IS a sheikh...and if he doesnt answer the question he quotes from other reputed scholars and im not sure what you mean by he doesnt sound scholarly in the first place....
 
amani said:
theres not 'al saud version' theres Quran and Sunnah, we take what is Quran and sunnah and there is no this and that version...yes there is difference of opinion...but that link gave daleel from the Quran/Sunnah and from the scholars of the salaf..so if you want to refute feel free...

and yes chuck the sheikh answering the questions IS a sheikh...and if he doesnt answer the question he quotes from other reputed scholars and im not sure what you mean by he doesnt sound scholarly in the first place....
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if there no difference between Islam and Al'-saud concoction, tell me under what shariat ruling is an Egyptian Doctor being flogged for failing to help the fancy piece (who learnt her addiction in USA) of one of the princes?

would you like me to list 100s of such evils being done in that country? I bet you that you can find justification from Munajjid for each and every crime being committed by that regime and its masters, against Islam and Muslims
 
amani said:
theres not 'al saud version' theres Quran and Sunnah, we take what is Quran and sunnah and there is no this and that version...yes there is difference of opinion...but that link gave daleel from the Quran/Sunnah and from the scholars of the salaf..so if you want to refute feel free...

and yes chuck the sheikh answering the questions IS a sheikh...and if he doesnt answer the question he quotes from other reputed scholars and im not sure what you mean by he doesnt sound scholarly in the first place....
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Sister when he gave his answer he mixed his opinion from the reputed scholars of the salaf, that is very wrong imo.

Islamonline has mainly salafi scholars as Islam online is from Qatar. If you been to Qatar, you know most people and almost all scholars in Qatar are salafi. I'm myself is salafi, but that is besides the point. Who ever is running Islamqa is a different breed, calling himself sheik doesn't make one sheik. I've meet scholars from Medina University, and you can notice the difference when you compare his answers with a learned scholar... there is a huge difference. From the looks of it, he is promoting his opinion and mixing with salaf sources to make it appealing.
 
doorster said:
if there no difference between Islam and Al'-saud concoction, tell me under what shariat ruling is an Egyptian Doctor being flogged for failing to help the fancy piece (who learnt her addiction in USA) of one of the princes?

would you like me to list 100s of such evils being done in that country? I bet you that you can find justification from Munajjid for each and every crime being committed by that regime and its masters, against Islam and Muslims
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since when was sheikh munajjid a member of the government making government rulings? provide your proof against HIM or you are slandering him
 
Chuck said:
Sister when he gave his answer he mixed his opinion from the reputed scholars of the salaf, that is very wrong imo.

Islamonline has mainly salafi scholars as Islam online is from Qatar. If you been to Qatar, you know most people and almost all scholars in Qatar are salafi. I'm myself is salafi, but that is besides the point. Who ever is running Islamqa is a different breed, calling himself sheik doesn't make one sheik. I've meet scholars from Medina University, and you can notice the difference when you compare his answers with a learned scholar... there is a huge difference. From the looks of it, he is promoting his opinion and mixing with salaf sources to make it appealing.
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so whos opinion did you think he'd mix his answer with? of course he will promote the opinion he believes is right..and looking at the link again..the majority of what is written is daleel and quotes..and another link
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/3285/women leaders
 

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