Lebanese see victory in rubble of homes

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Did israel get back the two soldiers? Isnt this the "reason" they went to war? to get back the soldiers at all costs? So if they didnt get them back...then didnt they fail in their "mission" ? So if u go by that "reason" for the war...israel didint win.

Offcouse we all know that israel dont care about the soldiers, they just wanted to destroy and create havoc in lebanon and to divert attention from the on going situation/war in the Gaza strip. I think they achieved their objective.
It is always good to see an unbias view. It is obvious that Nasrallah cares nothing for people.
The fact is both lost. There are no winners.
 
It is always good to see an unbias view. It is obvious that Nasrallah cares nothing for people.
The fact is both lost. There are no winners.

I never said that Nasrallah does not care for people. Re-read/re-think my post.
 
Then rule out all the reasons and times they attackes.
How many times did the sun come up, except in the Morning?
DA

Ok... so just this one instance of them taking soldiers is the only time they attacked. I guess i do have to explain it to you over and over again.

1st) They warned Israel months in advance about what is going to happen if the lebanese prisoners are not released.

2nd) The soldiers were 7 miles across on the Lebanese border when they were captured, meaning they were in Lebanon territory.

You know my point is obvious with the question before. Hezbollah has only defended, and Israel is always the one to attack. Stop debating just to debate bro...

Kidman
 
1st) They warned Israel months in advance about what is going to happen if the lebanese prisoners are not released.

Oh did they? Please show us this warning.

Israel though warned Hezbollah this would happen in advance if there soldiers were not returned.

2nd) The soldiers were 7 miles across on the Lebanese border when they were captured, meaning they were in Lebanon territory.

Where is your proof?

The gaurd post, bullets, ect were all in Israeli territory, and other than bias news sources who have no evidence of this making outrageous claims there is no basis to that statement.
 
Israel though warned Hezbollah this would happen in advance if there soldiers were not returned.

LOL... they started attack right away, what type of warnign is this?

Where is your proof?

The gaurd post, bullets, ect were all in Israeli territory, and other than bias news sources who have no evidence of this making outrageous claims there is no basis to that statement.

It was in the sheeba Farms terroritory, which belongs to Lebanon.

1. Syria says the Shebaa farms are Lebanese lands. Syrian officials may be asked this question at any time. No bets on whose claims Syria would defend.

2. Any map of Lebanon predating the current crisis clearly illustrates Shebaa within Lebanon. Map: http://www.expressed-opinion.com/dow...lebanonmap.jpg

3. Shebaa inhabitants say they are Lebanese.

4. The Lebanese government has submitted several maps and proofs of Shebaa farms being Lebanese to the UN for which the UN has not acted upon.

5. For arguments sakes, we will presume the Israeli dispute that Shebaa farms are Syrian (although Syria affirms they belong to Lebanon). Being Syrian land, the Israelis shouldn't be there. If Israelis wanted peace, they should rightfully withdrawal in compliance with Resolutions 242 and 338.

Kidman
 
While the Shebaa farms area, a part of the occupied Golan heights, has no significance for Israel, it has great significance for rule of law. In 2000, the UN examined Lebanese claims that Sheba farms belong to Lebanon and dismissed them. This rectangular area cuts a village in two, and takes an artificial looking bite out of the contours of the Golan heights and the Syrian border, leaving al-Ghajar sticking out between Israel and Lebanon.
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The border was first demarcated in the Anglo-French agreement of 1923, which put Shebaa farms in Syria. All maps prior to 1966 except one, apparently a forgery, show the area as part of Syria. Syria has backed the Lebanese claim, but refuses to demarcate its border.


The UN position on Shebaa farms until now is summed up as follows:

The United Nations stated: "On 15 May 2000, the United Nations received a map, dated 1966, from the Government of Lebanon which reflected the Government's position that these farmlands were located in Lebanon. However, the United Nations is in possession of 10 other maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government institutions, including the Ministry of Defense and the army, all of which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The United Nations has also examined six maps issued by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps since 1966, which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic."[11]

In a June 18, 2000 statement, the Security Council noted that Israel and Lebanon had confirmed to the Secretary General, that identification of the withdrawal line was solely the responsibility of the United Nations and that both sides would respect the line as identified. Moreover, the Security Council took note, "with serious concern," of reports of violations - by Hizbullah[16] - that had occurred since June 16, 2000, and called upon the parties to respect the line drawn by the United Nations.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in remarks to the press with U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, Foreign Minister of Spain Josep Pique, Foreign Minister of Russia Igor Ivanov, and European Union Senior Official Javier Solana in Madrid, Spain, on April 10, 2002, said: "With reference to the disturbances along the Blue Line emanating from Lebanese territory, I call on the Government of Lebanon and all relevant parties to condemn and prevent such violations. The Security Council itself confirmed in June 2000 that Israel had withdrawn from southern Lebanon in compliance with UN Security Council resolutions 425 and 426. Attacks at any point along the Blue Line, including in the Shebaa Farms area in the occupied Golan Heights, are violations of Security Council resolutions. Respect for decisions of the Security Council is the most basic requirement of international legitimacy.




But now Condoleezza Rice, Mr. Annan and the Security Council, faced with Hezbollah blackmail, may be about to hand Shebaa farms over to the Lebanese. Eugene Kontorovich, an expert on international law, notes:

The most surprising aspect of international proposals for a ceasefire in the Israel-Lebanon conflict is their endorsement of Hezbollah's demand that Israel give it territory, known as the Sheba Farms, in exchange for a end to rocket attacks on Israeli cities... What is certain -- and yet entirely neglected in the discussion of the issue -- is that the proposal violates bedrock norms of international law.
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Because Lebanon has no rightful claim to the territory, if Hezbollah's violence succeeds in re-opening the U.N.'s earlier decision, it would be clear to all Hezbollah's rocket campaign was the necessary cause of the new, presumably more favorable "delineation." Hezbollah's side of the "dispute" over the border consists of attacking Israel. If this kind of disputation can get borders changed, it is a defeat for international law.


Even if we ignore the legal aspects, we must be concerned for the effect that this concession would have on the standing of Hezbollah in Lebanon.
 
Ok.... you have your points and I have mine.... then the people of Israel, Syria, and Lebanon have theirs. Syria and Lebanon says it belongs to Lebanon, and Israel and the U.N says it used to belong to Syria which got taken over by Israel so they have rights to it.

There are Lebanese citizens that show documents that they owned that land... they can point out where their land used to be and where they used to live.

We can leave it to them to argue about it, i was just pointing out that this land is considered an occupied part of Lebanon still.... and Israel believes it is their own... so in Hezbollah's eyes, they were on their land and that's why they had to right to take those soldiers.

Then on top of that, they should've even had rights to do more, based on what Israel has done to them in the past... but Hezbollah didn't... they did the minimum they had to do to get an exchange of prisoners... but that still hasn't happened but probably will soon.

Kidman
 

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