Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK

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could it be to do with the historic fact that one country is the satellite of the other?

and is it a possibility that saudi version of Shariah is no more than an illusion to placate or deceive Muslims in to believing that they are an independent country?

thats not the point, you might be correct, im trying to point out the western inconsistency if you know what i mean, that they post these articles against hate in mosques comming from saudia, yet they host the saudis in charge of this and treat them better than they would ever treat a citizen of that nation or a soldier who served in iraq or afghanistan! so its just to show how futile theyre arguments are, and that the fact is their goverment doesnt care for them.

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thats not the point, you might be correct, im trying to point out the western inconsistency if you know what i mean, that they post these articles against hate in mosques comming from saudia, yet they host the saudis in charge of this and treat them better than they would ever treat a citizen of that nation or a soldier who served in iraq or afghanistan! so its just to show how futile theyre arguments are, and that the fact is their goverment doesnt care for them.

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I's sure her majesty has never written an article about Saudi Arabia or Shariah law and those who have are most probably opposed to King Abdullah's visit.
 
No further debate is necessary.

yes no debate indeed, the MCB guy should be applauded for what he said, why? because he is using your own system against you, when you mock, insult, and attack Islam, what do you say? you say the west is freedom, freedom to publish and write for or against a system etc, so therefore we are allowed to do the same thing if we want, as you say FREEDOM.
 
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No further debate is necessary.
ah but that will take away the drama and excitement and members might stray into other sections to read about real Islam. and learning truth is far more boring than acting learned and/or trashing Islam (it could make trolls lose intrest and cause them to leave)
 
yes no debate indeed, the MCB guy should be applauded for what he said, why? because he is using your own system against you, when you mock, insult, and attack Islam, what do you say? you say the west is freedom, freedom to publish and write for or against a system etc, so therefore we are allowed to do the same thing if we want, as you say FREEDOM.

so you quoting him as if to show hes evil or you prove your point only shows your a hypocrite because you proved what we all already knew, freedom of speech only works for you to exercise it, not for muslims to critisize you.
You must have misunderstood me.. I wanted to say the same thing you said. They have the right to posses and sell any kind of literature they want. Denying them that right would be acting against the very foundations of our great civilisation.
No matter how suicidal such toelerance may be, it is still the basis of our society.
 
The books in question should have speacial stickers on them warning the reader not to implement sharia law in a non-islamic state. Such stickers would prevent a lot of legal problems...
 
“Bookshops sell a variety of publications and we live in an open, democratic society where it is not illegal to sell books which contain antiWestern views.”
Ya folks, it is called freedom of speech. It's a two way street.

It is not against the law to print “Evil West” books and it isn’t against the law to print “Cartoons”.

But it is truly sad to see the standard “It is the Presses fault”.

Ya, right.

Someone teaching hate and that is OK. The press reporting it is evil.
 
yes no debate indeed, the MCB guy should be applauded for what he said, why? because he is using your own system against you, when you mock, insult, and attack Islam, what do you say? you say the west is freedom, freedom to publish and write for or against a system etc, so therefore we are allowed to do the same thing if we want, as you say FREEDOM.

so to you it is OK to say freedom of speech when it is about or pertaining to any sort of extremism, in this case an extreme form of Islam that decieves and manipulates a novice into believing Islam is something that it is not. But then it is not OK for a dutch newspaper to print profound images of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

I live in the west and I hold my freedoms close to me, however I do think that it has gone to a, yes wait for it,........extreme! I dont believe pictures or images of the prophet (pbuh) should be printed anymore than I believe literature that could possible incite violence, backwards thinking or political coups should be printed. I also dont believe that literature should be published to provoke people to isolate themselves from other people just because of their religion, to me it would appear to be a form of bigotry. You should also note that everything that I just described goes against the Quran, so what is it doing in a mosque?

I dont think that when people were implementing the idea of free speech they were thinking that such a priviledge and freedom would be abused and manipulated the way that it is today. It has turned into a joke, take OJ Simpsons book for example, he went on trial the double homicide and was aquitted, many years later he writes a book titled "IF I DID IT, THIS IS HOW IT WAS DONE" and when looking at the book cover you can barely see the word "I". It is a sick way to twist the system and abuse the system, his book along with the ones described in the original article on this thread, and any others that endorse hatred, bigotry, murder, etc. should all be banned or trashed or I would be happy to use them as a life time supply as toilet paper.

As for "The_Prince"s onslaught of comments about free speech and the treatment of the royal Saudi family, I will say one of your comments was absolutely correct, in that he who has the money has the control of the honey. However, the comments on free speech were a good laugh. No one is taking these books off the shelf and the writer of the article was simply exercising his right of free speech to criticize the authors, mosques and countries that allow such hate filled trash. It is his right to do so and until the books are banned from the country free speech prevails. So your argument would be considered futile in that you just dont like to hear this guy talk trash about these mosques or about the books, just as the books talk trash about this guy and his country, get it?
 
No one is taking these books off the shelf and the writer of the article was simply exercising his right of free speech to criticize the authors, mosques and countries that allow such hate filled trash. It is his right to do so and until the books are banned from the country free speech prevails. So your argument would be considered futile in that you just dont like to hear this guy talk trash about these mosques or about the books, just as the books talk trash about this guy and his country, get it?

yes I wanted to make that point about free speech. as for the shock/horror press articles well yawn. there is all kind of hate-filled thrash available from just about all sections of society, some of the stuff I read by 'evangelical christians' is absolutely blood curdling. won't never make headlines though.

peace
 
yes I wanted to make that point about free speech. as for the shock/horror press articles well yawn. there is all kind of hate-filled thrash available from just about all sections of society, some of the stuff I read by 'evangelical christians' is absolutely blood curdling. won't never make headlines though.

peace

That has more to do with the after reactions. For example you may see some very hateful stuff displayed openly in a Middle-eastern country, take for example Furfur (sp?) where there is no local outrage. Yet have someone write a book or a cartoon that is deemed 'offensive' and you get bloody riots.

So I think it has more to do with pointing out hypocracy. Even if I write something unpleasant about Jesus, I will at most got angry letters and no actions agaisnt my life.
 
That has more to do with the after reactions. For example you may see some very hateful stuff displayed openly in a Middle-eastern country, take for example Furfur (sp?) where there is no local outrage. Yet have someone write a book or a cartoon that is deemed 'offensive' and you get bloody riots.

So I think it has more to do with pointing out hypocracy. Even if I write something unpleasant about Jesus, I will at most got angry letters and no actions agaisnt my life.

I see the hypocrisy only as relating to the criticism of the content of these books. As long as the books are protected under the banner of 'free speech' then it is quite legitimate that any criticisms are also allowed (though not calls to ban them). It has nothing whatsoever to do with the cartoons or reactions to the cartoons. there is no comparison between these books and the offensive cartoons.

peace
 
this could be propaganda or simply the truth.I personally believe that there is rising radicalism in Britain but I go to another forum where the UK Muslim residents who go to Mosques alleged to be radical denied all allegations of hate preaching in those places.
so yes I would like to know who were the researchers.
 
I see the hypocrisy only as relating to the criticism of the content of these books. As long as the books are protected under the banner of 'free speech' then it is quite legitimate that any criticisms are also allowed (though not calls to ban them). It has nothing whatsoever to do with the cartoons or reactions to the cartoons. there is no comparison between these books and the offensive cartoons.

peace

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Don't you find it amazing. That Palestine is under the occupation of the colonial zionist state of Israel, which is doing all that it is in its power to displace palestinians from their home to refugee camps, if not just down right kill them and be rid the world of them under the guise of whatever crap they spew, and yet begrudge them a cartoon character that speaks against the occupation? Has the world gone mad? Let's put it this way. Israel might be the darling of America and hypocrites every where. hypocrites like arnold shwartznegger who at one point in his life addmitted to admiring Hitler, well he just as easily admires zionist Israel for exact same reasons, the racist ideology and treating people with impunity has not changed under either regimen.. but they certainly won't impose its love on the rest of us.

One day they cry freedom of speech, only when it is freedom to mock our sanctities, but by same token are outraged when we exercise our rights to free speech!


Must everyone in the world conceive these things the way the U.S and Israel conceives them? If so then the problem is not confined to what is called 'lessons in hate or freedom of speech, It is bound to include other folks than Muslims, as well as all people who belong to other cultures; it is in fact bound to include many in the West since there is no consensus among them on the way these things are to be conceived. If your tolerance applies only to those who share your values and , further, conceive them the way you do, you will be making mockery of tolerance and your own definition of 'freedom of speech', which is readiness to coexist peacefully with those who do not share your values, and speak a different truth to yours, that which you might find objectionable!

what tartuffes of all faction is this world filled with?!


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From:
Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK
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Palestine is under the occupation :hmm:

I seem to be missing a lot of "Logical Connections".

Does any of this have anything to do with World War I?
 
From:
Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK
to
Palestine is under the occupation :hmm:

I seem to be missing a lot of "Logical Connections".

Does any of this have anything to do with World War I?
could it be that it was an attempt to show how hypocritical and 2 faced you are? :confused:
 

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