Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK

[wilberhum]

could it be that it was an attempt to show how hypocritical and 2 faced you are?

Maybe. Or maybe it was an attempt to derail the topic. :?

 

[جوري]

From:
Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK
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Palestine is under the occupation :hmm:

I seem to be missing a lot of "Logical Connections".

Does any of this have anything to do with World War I?

I am with you, I too was surprised.. after all what does furfur et al. have to do with 'lessons in hate'-- a double blinded hypocrisy doesn't invalidate itself.. what do you think?
Hate after all seems to be universal? not only so when declared by the United states and its allies under law number 4758347683. which they have just concocted while taking a dump, on the account, they don't think they have dismantled our religion and countries quite thoroughly, so here is the punch du jour!


cheers!

 

[wilberhum]

Hate after all seems to be universal?

Well we agree on that. But I'm confused as to why you added the "?".

Meanwhile back on topic. I just saw this.
http://dawn.com/2007/10/31/top17.htm
UK mosque body working on code of conduct
By Our Special Correspondent

LONDON, Oct 30: In what is seen here as the first attempt by British Muslims to set the core standards and constitutions for Britain’s 1,350-plus mosques, the year-old Mosques and Imams National Advisory Body (Minab) has drawn up draft proposals to the effect.

The Minab was set up by the Al-Khoei Foundation, the British Muslim Forum, the Muslim Association of Britain and the Muslim Council of Britain.

The draft constitution for the regulatory body, released on Monday after months of internal consultation, proposes increasing the skills and competencies of Imams, developing mosques as centres of community cohesion, citizenship and dialogue and strengthening accountability and governance.

It also proposes improving access of women and young people to mosques. The new body, according to its constitution, would also provide advice on the suitability of Imams and scholars coming from abroad.

Mosques that sign up to the core standards framework would receive practical advice, guidance and support from Minab, a body first recommended by an official government inquiry in the wake of the 7/7 bombings in London.

According to the Guardian, the new proposals came as new research found fundamentalist literature encouraging hatred of Christians, gays and Jews in many British mosques. Researchers for the think-tank Policy Exchange found extremist literature in a quarter of the 100 mosques and Islamic institutions they visited.
Some of the publications called on British Muslims to segregate themselves from non-Muslims and condoned the beheading of lapsed Muslims. There were passages which supported the stoning of adulterers and ‘violent’ Jihad, according to the report, The Hijacking of British Islam.
The government has spoken of the need to improve the language and teaching skills of Imams, but has been reluctant to intervene directly for fear of being seen to interfere in an independent faith body.

A governing council would be established to represent the different strands of Islam in Britain, including guaranteed seats for Shias.

The government has also been frustrated that a number of Imams in Britain were born in Pakistan, speak limited English and preach in Urdu, making it difficult for the government to know what is going on in some mosques.

 

[جوري]

I am not sure what I am supposed to feel after reading the above? That is your 'Guardian's view'-- and it doesnt concern me until such a time they use it to manipulate public opinion against Muslims... so strange to fight so-called hatred with more hatred. even more fresh coming from the number one colonial state in the world, where they used to kill a peron a week and have them hanging in al hosein in cairo to make an example out of them..

on a personal note: I find homosexuality flagrantly obscene and down right disgusting, the same way many of you flinch at pedophilia or sex with animals. But it doesn't mean I hate every homo out there. I hate the act. I feel sorry for the poor saps who humiliate themselves in such a vile manner. and No news paper whether pro or against is going to change that opinion for me!

one final note. I think the govt. should stay out of mosques or any house of worship, if they want to maintain that image of freedom and democracy, 'cause I got to tell you from where I am standing, the double standards is down right hilarious!


cheers!

 

[Fishman]

The government has also been frustrated that a number of Imams in Britain were born in Pakistan, speak limited English and preach in Urdu, making it difficult for the government to know what is going on in some mosques.

I don't think the main problem is the Urdu speaking imams from Pakistan. They are not usually the extremists, and the ones that are will get little support from young radicals as they don't speak the same language. The real issue is not with the immigrants that the far-right seems to always blame, but the young people who have been born and raised here, who are easily influenced by radical doctrines.

 

[wilberhum]

I don't think the main problem is the Urdu speaking imams from Pakistan. They are not usually the extremists, and the ones that are will get little support from young radicals as they don't speak the same language. The real issue is not with the immigrants that the far-right seems to always blame, but the young people who have been born and raised here, who are easily influenced by radical doctrines.

IMHO Pakistan is the center for extremists.
The future of Pakistan causes me great fear, but then that's another story.

 

[Fishman]

IMHO Pakistan is the center for extremists.
The future of Pakistan causes me great fear, but then that's another story.

My experience of Pakistani teachers and Imams is that they have been generally nice and non-extreme. The only extremists I have ever 'met' are the ones on this forum. But, I have never actually been to Pakistan itself, so I can't really comment on the country. I would like to go, but I doubt my parents would let me even when I am seventeen. And I also have a bad phobia of insects, which are common in warm areas.

 

[wilberhum]

My experience of Pakistani teachers and Imams is that they have been generally nice and non-extreme. The only extremists I have ever 'met' are the ones on this forum. But, I have never actually been to Pakistan itself, so I can't really comment on the country. I would like to go, but I doubt my parents would let me even when I am seventeen. And I also have a bad phobia of insects, which are common in warm areas.

In all do respect, I did state In My Humble Openion.

It is only an openion and I could be wrong. In fact I hope I'm wrong. :hiding:

 

[Amadeus85]

I might be wrong, but i read an interview from an islamic scholar from UK and he said that the root of extremism in UK nowadays is not that the young go to mosques, but because they don't fo it. He said that majority of people attending mosques in England are elderdly people and the young often learn about religion from foreign experts who came from Middle East or Central Asia.

 

[KAding]

You must have misunderstood me.. I wanted to say the same thing you said. They have the right to posses and sell any kind of literature they want. Denying them that right would be acting against the very foundations of our great civilisation.
No matter how suicidal such toelerance may be, it is still the basis of our society.

Indeed. So the only legitimate refuge left is to keep out those who adhere to these undesirable interpretations of Islam. In other words, stricter immigration control?

 

[SATalha]

One of the Masjid mentioned is the East london Masjid. This is a place that is very dear to me, the Imam (Sheikh Abdul Kayum) Allhamduillilah is the nicest man you can meet. Now we do many works in the East London Masjid, i can garuntee you that this material is not being read or being PUMPED by the ELM. Look judge these places by there actions and not what some neo-cons found while digging in the attick!!!!! i offer anyone in London region to come down to the ELM and see the work that we do....its all positive man.

 

[Malaikah]

According to the Guardian, the new proposals came as new research found fundamentalist literature encouraging hatred of Christians, gays and Jews in many British mosques. Researchers for the think-tank Policy Exchange found extremist literature in a quarter of the 100 mosques and Islamic institutions they visited.
Some of the publications called on British Muslims to segregate themselves from non-Muslims and condoned the beheading of lapsed Muslims. There were passages which supported the stoning of adulterers and ‘violent’ Jihad, according to the report, The Hijacking of British Islam.

I wonder how they define extremist literature. And I wonder if any of the books really did call on British Muslims to actually do those things, or whether they simply said that these are the punishments prescribed by Islamic law.

 

[Pygoscelis]

to put it bluntly, apostates are killed in islam under sharia law, The best place for the woman is her house, even though it is allowed for her to go out, and a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non muslim man.

yes adulterers are stoned and we fight jihad to protect ourself. Thats in the Qurán. Now we cant teach it? Its not extremism dude. It's our religion. Take it or leave it.

I find you refreshingly honest about your views. But frankly if that is your religion and those are practices you seek to go by, you should not be in a country like the UK. By stating what you do here you are making a case for banning your religion there and deporting muslims.

You are free to practice your religion so long as it doesn't conflict with UK law. Much of what you support here does cross that line. And when you put your religion ahead of your country and your fellow citizen, it is time to get rid of you, to put it equally bluntly.

 

[The_Prince]

I find you refreshingly honest about your views. But frankly if that is your religion and those are practices you seek to go by, you should not be in a country like the UK. By stating what you do here you are making a case for banning your religion there and deporting muslims.

You are free to practice your religion so long as it doesn't conflict with UK law. Much of what you support here does cross that line. And when you put your religion ahead of your country and your fellow citizen, it is time to get rid of you, to put it equally bluntly.

a country LIKE the UK? what u trying to say? that UK is so civilized and a great example? haha oh man i had to laugh there, they let so many criminals and rapists and sex offenders go free every week you read a report of how a sex offender or a killer attacks someone because the police let them out of jail or just didnt bother watching these ppl after releasing them and putting them on the watch list! yes the UK how lovely where crooks are let free beutiful! just to highlight one case a female student around 20 was murdered brutally by a crazy loose phsyco because he wasnt properly watched or sent back to prison, and they let this female student go check up on his crazy backside all alone. i could go on and on here.

lets not even forget the teen birth rates, oh mannnnnnnn we dont want to go there we really dont. or the fact that they just found out how british society is basically going down the drain health wise because of all the alcohol and smoking being done, but that shouldnt affect the muslims though, but i guess the english will like to blame immigrants and muslims for this as well!

lets not even forget about the recent article that came out confirming police are stopping and searching black people quite alot, not Muslims, but black people in general! ah yes the lovely equality!

if i wanted to carry on id have a book, but the point has been made, so plz dont say LIKE UK as if UK is some shining beacon and a great 'civilized' nation and a role model and so on.


:crickey:

 

[The_Prince]

I find you refreshingly honest about your views. But frankly if that is your religion and those are practices you seek to go by, you should not be in a country like the UK. By stating what you do here you are making a case for banning your religion there and deporting muslims.

You are free to practice your religion so long as it doesn't conflict with UK law. Much of what you support here does cross that line. And when you put your religion ahead of your country and your fellow citizen, it is time to get rid of you, to put it equally bluntly.

you know theres something abit funny about your last paragraph, you say i can practice my religion as long as it doesnt conflict with the law, well that basically means i cant make polygamy, but u know whats funny? i cant make polygamy, but i can still go fornicate with as many women as i like even more than 100000000!!!!!!!!! and thats all fine, on top of that say im married im still free to go have adultery with as many women as i want non stopppppppppppppppp.

hmmm yes that makes lots of sense

 

[seeker_of_ilm]

I find you refreshingly honest about your views. But frankly if that is your religion and those are practices you seek to go by, you should not be in a country like the UK. By stating what you do here you are making a case for banning your religion there and deporting muslims.

You are free to practice your religion so long as it doesn't conflict with UK law. Much of what you support here does cross that line. And when you put your religion ahead of your country and your fellow citizen, it is time to get rid of you, to put it equally bluntly.

I take it you didn't read when she said:

Bro I think ur missing my whole point. Yes these rules only apply for an islamic state. But that does not mean that we shouldnt learn about it. Because it is afterall part of our religion.

 

[InToTheRain]

Just another Tom, Dick or Harry with little or no knowledge of Islam giving his hate mongering opinion on our religion... as if we haven't got enough people out their throwing oil on the fire...:mmokay:

to put it bluntly, apostates are killed in islam under sharia law, The best place for the woman is her house, even though it is allowed for her to go out, and a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non muslim man. These are known laws in Islam. Are we not supposed to teach it now? Are we supposed to water it down to suit the western veiws?



yes adulterers are stoned and we fight jihad to protect ourself. Thats in the Qurán. Now we cant teach it? Its not extremism dude. It's our religion. Take it or leave it.

Jazak Allah Khair :thumbs_up

 

[guyabano]

a country LIKE the UK? what u trying to say? that UK is so civilized and a great example? haha oh man i had to laugh there, they let so many criminals and rapists and sex offenders

I just wonder how long it will take you to bring up your favorite topics?

 

[Malaikah]

I find you refreshingly honest about your views. But frankly if that is your religion and those are practices you seek to go by, you should not be in a country like the UK. By stating what you do here you are making a case for banning your religion there and deporting muslims.

You are free to practice your religion so long as it doesn't conflict with UK law. Much of what you support here does cross that line. And when you put your religion ahead of your country and your fellow citizen, it is time to get rid of you, to put it equally bluntly.

You totally missed the point that punishments can only be administered by teh Islamic state. By authority. Not anyone else.

 

[KAding]

You totally missed the point that punishments can only be administered by teh Islamic state. By authority. Not anyone else.

Which still leaves the question when an Islamic State can legitimately be set up. If Muslims make up half the population + 1? What if certain neighborhoods or cities get a Muslim majority?