Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK

[NoName55]

Which still leaves the question when an Islamic State can legitimately be set up. If Muslims make up half the population + 1? What if certain neighborhoods or cities get a Muslim majority?

oooh yeh they are going to to take over, lets deport and cocentrate them all in Iraq, then Nuke them. ah but that could ruin 31 trillion dollars worth of oil reserves (already mapped) heading our way at rate of 1 trillion dollars per year since war on (saudi) terror in Iraq started

 

[KAding]

oooh yeh they are going to to take over, lets deport and cocentrate them all in Iraq, then Nuke them. ah but that could ruin 31 trillion dollars worth of oil reserves (already mapped) heading our way at rate of 1 trillion dollars per year since war on (saudi) terror in Iraq started

:hmm: Was that in reply to my post or did you make a mistake?

 

[Amadeus85]

Which still leaves the question when an Islamic State can legitimately be set up. If Muslims make up half the population + 1? What if certain neighborhoods or cities get a Muslim majority?

I think it already hapenned in Dearborn, in Michigan US.

 

[aamirsaab]

Which still leaves the question when an Islamic State can legitimately be set up. If Muslims make up half the population + 1? What if certain neighborhoods or cities get a Muslim majority?

Since we live in a democratic society, an Islam state would only ever come into play if the people voted a pm who would introduce it.

Given the fact that society thinks Islam stinks right now, you guys have nowt to worry 'bout. Well, as far as islamic states in the west is concerned.

 

[MTAFFI]

oooh yeh they are going to to take over, lets deport and cocentrate them all in Iraq, then Nuke them. ah but that could ruin 31 trillion dollars worth of oil reserves (already mapped) heading our way at rate of 1 trillion dollars per year since war on (saudi) terror in Iraq started

I have to wonder a couple things about this

a) What is it doing in this thread
b) were the oil reserves not already mapped out
c) why am i still paying 3 dollars a gallon for gas if we are stealing so much oil
d) what makes everyone think this war is about oil, when not a single free drop has come to the US? Prove one free drop has come here and I will concede, but the fact is most of the US oil doesnt even come from the middle east and the argument that 31 trillion dollars worth of oil is being somehow stolen or confiscated is as old as it is stupid

 

[The_Prince]

Which still leaves the question when an Islamic State can legitimately be set up. If Muslims make up half the population + 1? What if certain neighborhoods or cities get a Muslim majority?

even if you have a muslim majority, you cant take the law into your own hands, you need OFFICIAL authority, not even self confessed authority figures, but actual official authority figures.

 

[Pygoscelis]

You totally missed the point that punishments can only be administered by teh Islamic state. By authority. Not anyone else.

1. If its only for when in an Islamic state why is this literature being spread in the UK, spreading the ideas to do these horrible things if it will never "really" be practiced there?

2. Once you spread this ideology do you really think everybody is going to wait for the state to officially do these things?

3. Just because the state is killing people doesn't make it less abhorent. And in the killing them because they are apostates case, its saying kill them because of their religious views. Thats really not so different from why the holocaust happened.

 

[Pygoscelis]

a country LIKE the UK?

Yes. A country like the UK. Where its not ok to be killing people for having affairs or for changing their religious views. I shudder to think what the torture may be that you'd bring upon the homosexuals or nudists.

And for the record, since you brought it up, I'm cool with poligamy and poliandry. It really shouldn't be the state's business who marries who. Thats a law that needs to be changed. It stems from the old christian dark ages in europe.

 

[Muezzin]

1. If its only for when in an Islamic state why is this literature being spread in the UK, spreading the ideas to do these horrible things if it will never "really" be practiced there?

So people can learn about it. Not everybody sees it as horrible. And there's nothing wrong with learning about laws of other countries, or different ideologies. Freedom of thought, my friend.

2. Once you spread this ideology do you really think everybody is going to wait for the state to officially do these things?

So are you saying people aren't allowed to spread ideologies that might lead to *gasp* r..r... revolution*?!

If so, that argument sounds very McCarthy era-ish. If not, then I've misunderstood you and am a butthead.

3. Just because the state is killing people doesn't make it less abhorent. And in the killing them because they are apostates case, its saying kill them because of their religious views. Thats really not so different from why the holocaust happened.

Mein Kampf is also available in all good bookshops.** Nobody complains about it because they're not being forced to buy and read it. Similarly, nobody is being forced to buy and read this literature. Which, might I add, nobody on this thread (save one member) actually has been privy to, apart from vague references to 'research'. Book titles? Authors? The ratio of the 'bad books' to the 'good books'? All this stuff is missing because including it would take away from the schlock effect of the article.

*I don't think this will lead to revolution, any humourless internet trolls wanting to take words out of context.

**Don't read Mein Kampf. You have freedom of thought and freedom to spend the money in your wallet or use your library card, but because I disagree with Hitler and think him one of the most evil men in history, I'm going to attempt to rob you of your chance to read whatever the hell you want. Go freedom!

 

[MTAFFI]

a butthead.

a "butthead"???? perhaps a buttface, but surely not the whole head....

lol, j/k :hiding:

 

[Amadeus85]

Mein Kampf is also available in all good bookshops.** Nobody complains about it because they're not being forced to buy and read it.

Really? Its bit shock for me because in central Europe and Germany Mein Kampf is illegal and you can go to jail for seelling this erhmm book. :mmokay:

 

[Isambard]

Yes. A country like the UK. Where its not ok to be killing people for having affairs or for changing their religious views. I shudder to think what the torture may be that you'd bring upon the homosexuals or nudists.

And for the record, since you brought it up, I'm cool with poligamy and poliandry. It really shouldn't be the state's business who marries who. Thats a law that needs to be changed. It stems from the old christian dark ages in europe.

The problem isnt moral, its that tax laws get sticky when married to more than one person.

 

[Isambard]

So people can learn about it. Not everybody sees it as horrible. And there's nothing wrong with learning about laws of other countries, or different ideologies. Freedom of thought, my friend.


So are you saying people aren't allowed to spread ideologies that might lead to *gasp* r..r... revolution*?!

If so, that argument sounds very McCarthy era-ish. If not, then I've misunderstood you and am a butthead.


Mein Kampf is also available in all good bookshops.** Nobody complains about it because they're not being forced to buy and read it. Similarly, nobody is being forced to buy and read this literature. Which, might I add, nobody on this thread (save one member) actually has been privy to, apart from vague references to 'research'. Book titles? Authors? The ratio of the 'bad books' to the 'good books'? All this stuff is missing because including it would take away from the schlock effect of the article.

*I don't think this will lead to revolution, any humourless internet trolls wanting to take words out of context.

**Don't read Mein Kampf. You have freedom of thought and freedom to spend the money in your wallet or use your library card, but because I disagree with Hitler and think him one of the most evil men in history, I'm going to attempt to rob you of your chance to read whatever the hell you want. Go freedom!

My only problem with whats in the article is not that folks have acces to this sort of material, its that children will have access to it. Its one thing to read 'controversial' literature if your older and understand its implications, but its another if you are young and more likely impressionable.

I mean think about it, do you really want to freely hand out copies of the Anarchist Cookbook to bored teens?:hmm:

 

[NoName55]

anarchists cook book and (alleged, as I've not seen them yet) listing of shariah laws (NOT much different to Laws of Moses) are equally bad?

wow! with an Islamic site like this who need any thing else

 

[snakelegs]

isn't the study of an islamic state just a part of the study of islamic jurisprudence?

 

[NoName55]

isn't the study of an islamic state just a part of the study of islamic jurisprudence?

the whole thing is taught even in American, British and Pakistani universities

besides that it is ridiculous to allow this person to compare Shariah with anarchist cookbook which is all about annoying and tormenting people

I cannot remember seeing any children playacting the role of a court judges and dispensing punishments but I have seen many (from different religions/races) acting and being anti social just like or worse than this troll who seems to be a fave with a certain mod.

wa salam

 

[snakelegs]

the whole thing is taught even in American, British and Pakistani universities

besides that it is ridiculous to allow this person to compare Shariah with anarchist cookbook which is all about annoying and tormenting people

I cannot remember seeing any children playacting the role of a court judges and dispensing punishments but I have seen many acting and being anti social just like this troll who seems to be a fave with a certain mod.

wa salam

islamic law is really quite similar to jewish law. i think both are legitimate areas of study.

 

[NoName55]

islamic law is really quite similar to jewish law. i think both are legitimate areas of study.

now only if someone could convince the site bosses of that may be then this mockery of a discussion would end and we could get back to the business of learning facts (as is the purported aim of the site)!


wasalam

 

[جوري]

Really? Its bit shock for me because in central Europe and Germany Mein Kampf is illegal and you can go to jail for seelling this erhmm book. :mmokay:

What do you know, here it is at amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Ad...7792144?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193963441&sr=8-1

with such rave reviews like

The Hobo Philosopher, August 30, 2007
By Richard E. Noble "The Hobo Philosopher" (Florida Panhandle) - See all my reviews


I read this book for its political, intellectual, and philosophical content

 

[Isambard]

anarchists cook book and (alleged, as I've not seen them yet) listing of shariah laws (NOT much different to Laws of Moses) are equally bad?

wow! with an Islamic site like this who need any thing else

Im assuming the material discovered is particularly nasty stuff ie. Jews=pigs, violent action agaisnt kuffar etc.

If its just regular shariah stuff then they are just being squiemesh and should arrest church go-ers for their 'controversial material' ie Bible.