Lessons in hate found at leading mosques in UK

[Malaikah]

My only problem with whats in the article is not that folks have acces to this sort of material, its that children will have access to it. Its one thing to read 'controversial' literature if your older and understand its implications, but its another if you are young and more likely impressionable.

Children?? There is no way children would be ready those books, they are academic style books, boring by children standards!

 

[Muezzin]

Im assuming the material discovered is particularly nasty stuff ie. Jews=pigs, violent action agaisnt kuffar etc.

Assume being the operative word considering none of us here (save one) has even been to the place and seen the books in question.

If its just regular shariah stuff then they are just being squiemesh and should arrest church go-ers for their 'controversial material' ie Bible.

Exactly.

Also, this thread is not about sharia law as such. Methinks I'll have to go on another off-topic deleting... I mean recycling spree. Again.

 

[NoName55]

Im assuming the material discovered is particularly nasty stuff ie. Jews=pigs, violent action agaisnt kuffar etc.

If its just regular shariah stuff then they are just being squiemesh and should arrest church go-ers for their 'controversial material' ie Bible.

Jews = eqauls Ahle-e-kitaab or People of The Book in authentic Islaam and I do not care what deviant Shiites or other illiterate retards under the influence of deviants think or say (but a troll cannot be expected to know that)

assume away as you like I dont think any one of staff are going to stop you (I learnt that from experience i.e I report your assumptions to a certain mod as well as reply to your posts, he simply deletes my replies as off-topic leaving your post intact)

maybe if I stop PMing him, my replies would last a bit longer!

 

[Isambard]

Children?? There is no way children would be ready those books, they are academic style books, boring by children standards!

Thats assuming these are academic. Seeing how they only targeted this one place Im guessing its different from stuff youll find in your run-of-the-mill mosque which leads one to assume it borders on hate literature. I myself being a sort of conesouir (sp?) of this type of material can honestly say that alot of it is not academic by any stretch of the mind. Quite the opposite, its incredibly simply borderng on stupid (See Protocals of the Elders of Zion).

Its made for anyone to understand, even children. Sometimes the ppl peddling this stuff may try to attract children either thru seemingly okay cartoons (Chick Tracts) to even fluffy children programming (Furfur).

Now if it is the case that what they had is 'contreversial literature' then Im all for the action taken in shutting down the place as trying to indoctrine children into a hateful ideology is simply wrong.

Anyways, Itd be nice if someone posted something a little more concrete. Some of the material/titles in question would be nice.

 

[Isambard]

Jews = eqauls Ahle-e-kitaab or People of The Book in authentic Islaam and I do not care what deviant Shiites or other illiterate retards under the influence of deviants think or say (but a troll cannot be expected to know that)

Funny that by the way I structured my sentence, I indicated the seperation that you accuse me of not making.

Perhaps taking a class in writing would hlp you in the future.

assume away as you like I dont think any one of staff are going to stop you (I learnt that from experience i.e I report your assumptions to a certain mod as well as reply to your posts, he simply deletes my replies as off-topic leaving your post intact)

You are correct, educated guess are absolutely terrible. Sure the facts we do have arnt conclusive but still point us toward that this particular place was doing something naughty because it was the only mosque targeted, but hey you are a man agaisnt logical conclusions. You certainly are brave. *rolls eyes*

maybe if I stop PMing him, my replies would last a bit longer!

Or perhaps lessening your whining may help.

 

[The_Prince]

notice the mein kampf book on amazon has gotten good reviews by the readers.

i think im going to get this book.

 

[Isambard]

notice the mein kampf book on amazon has gotten good reviews by the readers.

i think im going to get this book.

Go for it. Just make sure your prepared cause as much as Hittler hated the Jews, he also wasnt a fan of the 'lesser animal races'.:mmokay:

 

[aamirsaab]

Hmm, for a society that holds so dearly their beloved freedoms, I wonder why they are so quick to ban (effectively) a book.

Oh wait, this is a human society. Now I get it!

 

[NoName55]

Funny that by the way I structured my sentence, I indicated the seperation that you accuse me of not making.

Perhaps taking a class in writing would hlp you in the future.

You are correct, educated guess are absolutely terrible. Sure the facts we do have arnt conclusive but still point us toward that this particular place was doing something naughty because it was the only mosque targeted, but hey you are a man agaisnt logical conclusions. You certainly are brave. *rolls eyes*
Or perhaps lessening your whining may help.

http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ims-converting-christianity-9.html#post852494

 

[InToTheRain]

Im assuming the material discovered is particularly nasty stuff ie. Jews=pigs.

Regarding the Jews turning into Pigs:

The Hypocrites used to critisice and mock the Muslims call to Prayer and in this regard the verses were revealed as explained here:

[PIE]Allah said

﴿وَإِذَا نَـدَيْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَوةِ اتَّخَذُوهَا هُزُواً وَلَعِباً﴾

(And when you proclaim the call for the Salah, they take it (but) as a mockery and fun When you proclaim the Adhan for the prayer, which is the best action there is, for those who have sound minds and good comprehension,

﴿اتَّخَذُوهَا﴾

(they take it...) also,

﴿هُزُواً وَلَعِباً ذلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْقِلُونَ﴾

(as a mockery and fun; that is because they are a people who understand not.) the acts of worship and Allah's Law. These are the characteristics of the followers of Shaytan who,

«إِذَا سَمِعَ الْأَذَانَ أَدْبَرَ وَلَهُ حُصَاصٌ، أَيْ ضُرَاطٌ، حَتَّى لَا يَسْمَعَ التَّأْذِينَ فَإِذَا قُضِيَ التَّأْذِينُ، أَقْبَلَ فَإِذَا ثُوِّبَ لِلصَّلَاةِ أَدْبَرَ، فَإِذَا قُضِيَ التَّثْوِيبُ أَقْبَلَ حَتَّى يَخْطُرَ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَقَلْبِهِ، فَيَقُولُ: اذْكُرْ كَذَا اذْكُرْ كَذَا، لِمَا لَمْ يَكُنْ يَذْكُرُ حَتَّى يَظَلَّ الرَّجُلُ لَا يَدْرِي كَمْ صَلَّى، فَإِذَا وَجَدَ أَحَدُكُمْ ذلِكَ، فَلْيَسْجُدْ سَجْدَتَيْنِ قَبْلَ السَّلَام»

(When the call for prayer is made, Shaytan takes to his heels passing wind so that he may not hear the Adhan. When the call is finished he comes back, and when the Iqamah is pronounced, Shaytan again takes to his heels. When the Iqamah is finished he comes back again and tries to interfere with the person and his thoughts and to say, `Remember this and that,' which he has not thought of before the prayer, until the praying person forgets how much he has prayed. If anyone of you does not remember, then he should perform two prostrations before pronouncing the Salam.) This Hadith is agreed upon. Az-Zuhri said, "Allah mentioned the Adhan in His Book,

﴿وَإِذَا نَـدَيْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَوةِ اتَّخَذُوهَا هُزُواً وَلَعِباً ذلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْقِلُونَ ﴾

(And when you proclaim the call for the Salah, they take it (but) as a mockery and fun; that is because they are a people who understand not.)'' Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this statement.

(59. Say: "O People of the Scripture! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in what has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before (us), and that most of you are rebellious'') (60. Say: "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, and those of whom He transformed into monkeys and swine, and those who worshipped Taghut; such are worse in rank, and far more astray from the straight path.'') (61. When they come to you, they say: "We believe.'' But in fact they enter with disbelief and they go out with the same. And Allah knows all that they were hiding.) (62. And you see many of them hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.) (63. Why do not the Rabbaniyyun and the Ahbar forbid them from uttering sinful words and from eating illegal things. Evil indeed is that which they have been performing.)

So from the above verses we learn that there were people of Bani(children of) Israel that were turned into apes and pigs yes. (Hence the insult "brothers of apes and pigs"...of course such behaviour isn't encouraged).

[What is Taghut: In Islamic context, Taghut refers to idolatry, considered impurity. This can be anything worshipped other than Allah, such as deities of other religions or people claiming themselves to be holy outside of Islam's definition. Compare: Shirk (polytheism) The plural of Taghut is Tawagheet.][/PIE]

This did not happen during the time of our Ummah, it happened long ago to SOME earlier jewish ummah. So does this mean that the Jews today are descendants of Pigs and Apes as said in the Qur'an? NO! This has been clarified by Mohammad(SAW) and the validity of this hadith is not disputed:

Book 033, Number 6438:

Abdullah reported that Umm Habiba, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), said: 0 Allah, enable me to derive benefit from my husband, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and from my father Abu Sufyan and from my brother Mu'awiya. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: You have asked from Allah about durations of life already set, and the length of days already allotted and the sustenances the share of which has been fixed. Allah would not do anything earlier before its due time, or He would not delay anything beyond its due time. And if you were to ask Allah to provide you refuge from the torment of the HellFire, or from the torment of the grave, it would have good in store for you and better for you also. He (the narrator) further said: Mention was made before him about monkeys, and Mis'ar (one of the narrators) said: I think that (the narrator) also (made a mention) of the swine, which had suffered metamorphosis. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Verily, Allah did not cause the race of those which suffered metamorphosis to grow or they were not survived by young ones. Monkeys and swine had been in existence even before (the metamorphosis of the human beings).

 

[Isambard]

Z., I understand the difference. It becomes hateful when you take it beyond what is said in the Qur'an and say Jews are pigs in disguise, which can be seen in some of the 'spicy' material out there.

That would be a main differentiation between standard Islamic literature vs. hate-literature disguising itself as Islamic literature.

 

[Pygoscelis]

My only problem with whats in the article is not that folks have acces to this sort of material, its that children will have access to it. Its one thing to read 'controversial' literature if your older and understand its implications, but its another if you are young and more likely impressionable.

I mean think about it, do you really want to freely hand out copies of the Anarchist Cookbook to bored teens?:hmm:

Its not only that. Its also that its being pushed by a religious institution that is looked up to by people and that people will too often fail to question.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Its not only that. Its also that its being pushed by a religious institution that is looked up to by people and that people will too often fail to question.

That is exactly the point that has been waiting to be mentioned in this thread for too long. It is also why the comparison with 'Mein Kampf' is a red-herring.

Freedom of speech exists to a certain extent in Britain, yes, but inciting religious hatred is illegal. That is why the controversy exists.

Peace

 

[InToTheRain]

Z., I understand the difference. It becomes hateful when you take it beyond what is said in the Qur'an and say Jews are pigs in disguise, which can be seen in some of the 'spicy' material out there.

That would be a main differentiation between standard Islamic literature vs. hate-literature disguising itself as hate literature.

thats Cool so long as your aware that it is not taught in Islam :thumbs_up
Lets hope those that write and say such hateful words also realise this...

peace

 

[NoName55]

thats Cool so long as your aware that it is not taught in Islam :thumbs_up
Lets hope those that write and say such hateful words also realise this...

peace

tell it also to sudais and ghamidi

 

[جوري]

Freedom of speech exists to a certain extent in Britain, yes, but inciting religious hatred is illegal. That is why the controversy exists.

Peace

lol.. can we spell hypocrisy please or are you simply to good to be true?
Please try that vehemence at the rallies of MR. Pipes.. the latest at George town. I am sure a man so up to date on current events is familiar with it?
how did it go?
Oh yes
"Do you hate Muslims? We do to"
Join us and see what we can do about it!
I try to maintain some level of decorum, but frankly you've just gotten on my last nerve.
Face it, it is freedom of speech only when you are inciting anti-Islamic sentiment. Everything else simply crosses the limits. And yes-- in my book and most discerning folks, there is no greater example of western hypocrisy, of which I can consider you now a poster boy!..



cheers

 

[InToTheRain]

tell it also to sudais and ghamidi

Bro, it appears you don't know, those Sudais and Ghamdi are Hafiz so I am sure they are aware of what I am saying

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

lol.. can we spell hypocrisy please or are you simply to good to be true?

I can spell 'hypocrisy'. I can also spell the word 'too'. Whether I am too good to be true is a matter of opinion. Thank you for bringing the question to public attention, though.

Please try that vehemence at the rallies of MR. Pipes.. the latest at George town. I am sure a man so up to date on current events is familiar with it?

I'm not familiar with Mr Pipes, whoever he may be, but if he's inciting religious hatred, as you've suggested, then I would condemn him.

I try to maintain some level of decorum, but frankly you've just gotten on my last nerve.

When have you ever tried to maintain decorum? You are without question the rudest person on this site by some distance.

Face it, it is freedom of speech only when you are inciting anti-Islamic sentiment. Everything else simply crosses the limits. And yes-- in my book and most discerning folks, there is no greater example of western hypocrisy, of which I can consider you now a poster boy!..

Thank you for that. Other than the insults, I can't actually make out any real point or argument there.

Peace

 

[NoName55]

Bro, it appears you don't know, those Sudais and Ghamdi are Hafiz so I am sure they are aware of what I am saying

except for the fact that they have their unique interpretations but I cant expand on their views on a site such as this where Islam hating troll will be allowed may be even encouraged to pick one line out of context then run with it! and I will get 45% x 2 infractions for insulting scholars

 

[NoName55]

Greetings,


I can spell 'hypocrisy'. I can also spell the word 'too'. Whether I am too good to be true is a matter of opinion. Thank you for bringing the question to public attention, though.


I'm not familiar with Mr Pipes, whoever he may be, but if he's inciting religious hatred, as you've suggested, then I would condemn him.


When have you ever tried to maintain decorum? You are without question the rudest person on this site by some distance.



Thank you for that. Other than the insults, I can't actually make out any real point or argument there.

Peace

go on pull the other one! I have come to believe that most of you, here, are on the same team!!!