Let's be true to ourselves now Christianity/islam

[Nicola]

Exactly. Do they not consider the Quran (with care) Had it been from any other than Allah They would have found therein many a discrepancy. Sura Nisaa 4:82 That was my point. I have found contradictions etc. in the Bible so that is my point.

there are plenty of contradictions from the bibles hitory to the history of the prophets in the Quran though ..and plenty more concerning the end time prophecies.

Though we can't prove which history is correct I see no evidence is just saying...well the Bible has been changed...because that is not fact.

At the end of the day only the prophecies of one Holy book will come true concerning the time of the end.

 

[topchoicewd]

Someone asked me about how Women are perceived in Christianity before. I think you'd be a lot happier with a Christian man... or so I read...

Muhammad, who himself had 11 wives, allowed marriage of up to four wives. (Koran 33:51)

"Of women who seem good in your eyes, marry but two, or three, or four; and if ye still fear ye shall not act equitably, then one only."
Islam also allows sexual intercourse with one's slave maids and as many 'captive' women as one desires (Koran 4:3) - even if those women are married.

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)



Holy Bible : Spiritually, there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)


We're not suppose to think of having sex with another women. In Christianity that is a committing adultery and an abomination.

 

[topchoicewd]

Husbands are responsible to maintain proper order and government in the family. (1 Timothy 3:4, 5, 12; Titus 1:6)

The husband's primary obligation is to love his wife: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave himself up for her... So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church..." (Ephesians 5:28, 29; cp. Colossians 3:19; 1 Peter 3:7)

Wives are exhorted to respect and obey their husband: "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." (Colossians 3:18; cp. 1 Corinthians 11:3, 8, 9; Ephesians 5:22-24, 33; 1 Timothy 2:11, 12; Titus 2:3-5; 1 Peter 3:1, 2, 5, 6)

 

[topchoicewd]

What is this garbage ?

The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5).

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).


And you say this is not satanic? NEVER EVER would you read something like this in The Holy Bible(The true word of God).

 

[Anonymous.92]

there are plenty of contradictions from the bibles hitory to the history of the prophets in the Quran though ..and plenty more concerning the end time prophecies.

Though we can't prove which history is correct I see no evidence is just saying...well the Bible has been changed...because that is not fact.

At the end of the day only the prophecies of one Holy book will come true concerning the time of the end.

No I don't mean the Scriptures contradicting each other. I meant the Bible contradicting itself. Example: The lord tempted David... (2 Samuels 24:1) Satan provoked David (1 Chronicles 21:1)

 

[Anonymous.92]

Someone asked me about how Women are perceived in Christianity before. I think you'd be a lot happier with a Christian man... or so I read...

Muhammad, who himself had 11 wives, allowed marriage of up to four wives. (Koran 33:51)

"Of women who seem good in your eyes, marry but two, or three, or four; and if ye still fear ye shall not act equitably, then one only."
Islam also allows sexual intercourse with one's slave maids and as many 'captive' women as one desires (Koran 4:3) - even if those women are married.

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)



Holy Bible : Spiritually, there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)


We're not suppose to think of having sex with another women. In Christianity that is a committing adultery and an abomination.

So what? I am a female and who cares if a man has more than one wife.The verse you quoted it had the phrase then one only The Quran is the only religious book on Earth that says that.

 

[muslim_friend]

We all need to realise how crafty satan is. Why wouldn't satan put these kind of scriptures in... we should be asking oursleves IMO..instead of just accepting everything at face valve....he isn't likely to say...btw I am really Satan trying to trick you.

Both our religions condemn satan. yet we differ in matters regarding Jesus(pbuh). Obviously only of our religions can be the truth. Coming to satan, yep..he's crafty.and he's proud and arrogant as well, which eventually led to his downfall.

The people and followers of great apostles such as Noah and Moses(pbut) did not worship Jesus did they?.. if Jesus was the way to heaven this should have been noticeable in the Oldtestament, but the OT indicates the worship of One God.So where did all these alien ideas such as the trinity and original sin come from.. these are innovations. what Jesus preached was sticking to the law..Do you recall he has stated that "he did not come to break the law but to fulfill it" ..correct me if i have quoted wrongly.

Satan doesn't put things in order, he cause chaos and confusion..he messes things up and deceives people.He does this because when there is chaos, there is a lesser chance of getting answers.he uses many means today: especially the media. But however you may perceive it, there is no part of islam which is chaotic. We do not depend upon blind faith.we use logic, reasoning and judgement, when christian priests during the renaissance rejected science because it contradicted religion, Islam welcomes and encourages it. Islamic law is beautiful and pratical, Women in Islam are given ultimate protection thanks to their hijabs. Islam is a peaceful way of life. What more would you expect from a truthful religion?

 

[muslim_friend]

What is this garbage ?

The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5).

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).


And you say this is not satanic? NEVER EVER would you read something like this in The Holy Bible(The true word of God).

These verses have been taken out of context and made to look evil by some dishonest people. I urge you to read this:

http://www.load-islam.com/c/rebuttals/Misquoted

 

[aamirsaab]

I get really annoyed when tiddly-winks come onto LI and say: "islam is wrong but christianity(in this particular case) is the truth". It's foolish and stupid

Foolish: majority of the users on this forum are muslims and aren't going to be swayed by a couple of kiddies who just came out of sunday church class.

Stupid: see above.

Don't try to convert people to another religion if they are happy with the one they already have. Those that don't follow a religion are in more need of your help than those who do - go preach some place else.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Interesting read. How comes this isn't in the Halal Fun section?

 

[Muezzin]

There's a fine line between polite disagreement and blatant disrespect of others' deeply held beliefs. I believe this thread crosses it, quite frankly.

 

[Taban]

This is to the person who made this meaningless topic. How dare you insult our islamic nation. You are nothing but a hypocrit, I'm sorry to say. How dare you even say that islam was started by the cursed satan. You need to get a life and realise whats right and whats wrong. I'm sorry ofr being so rude but I get very angry when someone thinks they are all "big" when they are smaller than any kind of atom.

Let me ask you this, what proof do you have of our beloved prophet Isa(jesus) dying? or is dead.

 

[Soldier2000]

please refer to the rebuttals section of this website for those misquoated verses!

and as for you following statement...

NEVER EVER would you read something like this in The Holy Bible(The true word of God).

LOL-

are you sure about that?

 

[Taban]

But don't you agree brother or sister, whats the point of bringing up this stupid topic without giving correct quotes or arguements. What makes these ignorant people think that islam was started by the cursed satan?

To tell you all the truth I give respect to christians even though they disrespect me and our religion. I only do it because our beloved prophet (p.b.u.h) said that you should always put your trust in Allah (s.w.t).

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Masha-Allah sis.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

tpochoicewd,
It is a pity that you resort to insults and lies to promote your religion.

Christianity has never been so antaganistic and destructive.

Refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/CrusadersRefutation

Here and there your religion glorifies war and hate upon those who do not convert.

Blatant lie.
http://www.load-islam.com/c/rebuttals/Misquoted

Muhammad, who himself had 11 wives, allowed marriage of up to four wives. (Koran 33:51)

"Of women who seem good in your eyes, marry but two, or three, or four; and if ye still fear ye shall not act equitably, then one only."

Already answered:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Position_on_Polygamy/

Islam also allows sexual intercourse with one's slave maids and as many 'captive' women as one desires (Koran 4:3) - even if those women are married.

Refuted here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/8369-slave-girls.html

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)

Already answered:
http://www.islamtoday.net/english/showme.cfm?cat_id=37&sub_cat_id=664

What is this garbage ?

Would Christ approve of you calling the Holy scripture of another religion 'garbage' ? Your disgusting and hateful attitude only does a disservice to Christianity.

The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51)

Refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#19

but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5).

Refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#9

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

Refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#7

"fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#9

"murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).

Blatant lie. Nowhere does the verse say 'murder them'! As for treating harshly, this has been refuted here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#15

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

More deception - by quoting it out of context you make it look like a command to Muslims. This is the punishment of the wicked and evil on the Day of Judgement, not in this life.

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).

Blatant lie. The word 'wide slaughter' is completely absent from the text! Read the refutation here:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/#5

The Holy Bible makes it very clear that it is only through Jesus Christ and His death on the cross that we can approach God the Father and receive His gift of eternal salvation. Muslims will tell you this isnt true and say it was never said, when it is clearly stated

Not so. Your quotes only mention the title 'son of god'. This has been answered here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/172571-post148.html

If Jesus is the only begotten son who is David?

Psalms 2:7 – “The LORD has said to me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten you.”

I'll leave you with one last thing on this religion that I heard about 10 years ago. I met a real Spirit-filled Christian girl about 10 years ago who had a friend that was a Muslim. I will never forget what she told me when we had lunch one day.

A cheap lie. It is in the mosques that people find satisfaction glorifying their Lord the Most High as He should be glorified, alone without any partners. I have seen churches and I could use the same argument and say they were lifeless and dead.

Once again, God the Father is way ahead of the game by giving us this revelation before Muhammad even started to receive these visitations from this demonic angel.

Someone defintiely recived revelations from Satan but it was not Prophet Muhammad pbuh, he recieved revelation from God. Turn to your Bible and read Paul's admission that "a messenger of Satan" regularly beats him over the head from time to time:
2 Corinthians 12:7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.



If you want to dialogue with Muslims on this site you will need to drop the insults and hateful remarks. If you cannot do so, you will be unwelcome here.

Regards

 

[x Maz x]

MashAllah Akhi, brilliant responce! *thumbs up*..MashAllah all those who participated in this thread against this misguided soul! Respect to all of you! WalaykumAsalaam x

 

[searchingsoul]

MashAllah Akhi, brilliant responce! *thumbs up*..MashAllah all those who participated in this thread against this misguided soul! Respect to all of you! WalaykumAsalaam x

Hopefully he has more compassion for Muslims now.

 

[x Maz x]

InshAllah [God-willing], I hope now after facing the responces by the fellow Muslims on board he takes heed! Allah guide him to the haaq [truth] Peace x

 

[searchingsoul]

InshAllah [God-willing], I hope now after facing the responces by the fellow Muslims on board he takes heed! Allah guide him to the haaq [truth] Peace x

I think one of two things happen when a rude person approaches members of a different religion making absurd accusations.

1) The person is met with people defending their religion with hostility and mutual insults. The person is left believing their original views.

2) The person is educated about the religion in question by people who are composed and without insult. The person leaves the conversation with a greater chance of understanding the true purpose and meaning of the religion.

I think it is hard for most of us (myself included) to refrain from stooping to the level of a blatantly disrespectful person. I do think that when we become the "better person" and refrain from insults we make more progress with such people.