lets Start with talking to a non-muslim

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I want to see a 'murtad' talking here. In a famous malaysian forum there are dozens of them, why none of them here ...? would u ppl like me to invite them here. Plus they are so hostile against Islam.
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can u pls invite them here...

i really want to know what they really like
 
tasmiyah_B said:
uh huh definately smile...ovawys u'll fryten em hehe

Smilings charity memba!!

But dnt smile too much or u'll bcum a charity case :p
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!! :happy: :happy: :okay: Man gyal you tooo funny God bless really ya gime nuf jkz hehe...

Peace x
 
Greetings,
north_malaysian said:
I want to see a 'murtad' talking here. In a famous malaysian forum there are dozens of them, why none of them here ...? would u ppl like me to invite them here. Plus they are so hostile against Islam.:?
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They might well be hostile towards Islam because under Islamic law they deserve death, don't they?

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


They might well be hostile towards Islam because under Islamic law they deserve death, don't they?

Peace
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NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL/OR BE KILLED A/AS NON MUSLIM FOR NOT BEING MUSLIM.
 
Crystal4Peace said:
About the marrying the cousin thing, i find this gross, well first cousins anyway, too much blood lineage, i think its called incest? has been shown to increase the risk of birth defects once having a child,at the same time marrying a cousin with no blood relation is quite different and to me acceptable.
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It is halal and its ur choice and opinion
 
x Maz x said:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!! :happy: :happy: :okay: Man gyal you tooo funny God bless really ya gime nuf jkz hehe...

Peace x
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Iconoclast Is my name show me idols lol
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czgibson said:
Greetings,


Unless you take this hadith on board:



Peace
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Apostasy is punishable by death.

* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."

Changes is not acceptable in any society or normal norms... and here you are talking about "Apostasy"

The prophet SAW said so Rightly and I stand by it.
we have been betrayed a lot of times and there is a limit to patience. you need to read Surah 9 ( Towba )

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Unless you take this hadith on board:



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Greetings,

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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL/OR BE KILLED A/AS NON MUSLIM FOR NOT BEING MUSLIM.

Unless you take this hadith on board:


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"Whoever replaces his religion, execute him" (Bukhari, Abu Dawud)

Peace


That is in reference to a Muslim giving up Islam. One of the more difficult problems is the Islamic concept of religion compared with the concept of religion by many other belief systems. To a Muslim giving up Islam is turning against all beliefs, life systems, family, country and cultural alliances. It is far beyond just changing method of worship.

If you are to read that with a pure Western View, it could be interpreted as we should execute any Christian who reverts to Islam. As they would have replaced their religion. Somehow, I doubt that is the intent.
 
north_malaysian said:
I want to see a 'murtad' talking here. In a famous malaysian forum there are dozens of them, why none of them here ...? would u ppl like me to invite them here. Plus they are so hostile against Islam.:?
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What is a murtad?
 
Woodrow said:
Greetings,
If you are to read that with a pure Western View, it could be interpreted as we should execute any Christian who reverts to Islam. As they would have replaced their religion. Somehow, I doubt that is the intent.
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Except that Christian teaching doesn't say any such thing ... unless you know otherwise.

Peace.
 
Greetings,
Iconoclast said:
Apostasy is punishable by death.

* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."

Changes is not acceptable in any society or normal norms... and here you are talking about "Apostasy"

The prophet SAW said so Rightly and I stand by it.
we have been betrayed a lot of times and there is a limit to patience. you need to read Surah 9 ( Towba )
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Doesn't this ruling on apostasy directly contradict what you said earlier?

Peace
 
Assallam alikum wa rahmatALLAH
i question for a muslim is a question to islam on the whole and it holds great reward with Allha SWT .
So brothers sister in islam join in answering please Jazakhallah ul Khair
Good to see brothers join forces to explain thx bro Woodrow azakhallah ul Khair
 
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Let's keep the apostasy discussion in the apostasy thread, please.

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czgibson said:
Greetings,


Doesn't this ruling on apostasy directly contradict what you said earlier?

Peace
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Original
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL/OR BE KILLED A/AS NON MUSLIM FOR NOT BEING MUSLIM.

* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."

Changes is not acceptable in any society or normal norms... and here you are talking about "Apostasy"

Apostasy from islam is.

where am i conradicting >for/from being a non muslim
>>>>>>>>>* Prophet Mohammed SAW said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."

don't make an issue where the words are clear to understand .....infact the basics of islam are live and let live ( who said we were tolerant of munafiqun (the unfaithfull )............i add until betrayed from reading the verse 9 and the reading the saying of the Messenger Mohammed SAW to this matter .
and death is mild punisment to what will come latter in the afterlife ....well thats a diff thread all togeather and all is based on faith. speaking of faith as a Athist what u ppl believe in? if i may ask. no reply is compelled.
Peace
 
glo said:
Except that Christian teaching doesn't say any such thing ... unless you know otherwise.

Peace.
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Nope, they get a little stronger in their word. Does not Christianity teach that the only way to the Father is through the Son. So, Therefore God(swt) is going to send everybody to Hell that believes other wise. Somehow, that seems a bit more drastic then killing the person.

To be honest I do not know off hand any Christian scripture that would say that a person who rejects Christianity Should be killed. However, abandoning Islam is much stronger then abandoning just a religious belief. It means treason to your nation, alliance with the enemy (another country, not a religion), and many other factors. It is not a thing that would be that extreme if the person was a loyal citizen of another country. It is understood a person can be loyal to another Nation. Christians are not persecuted or killed if they come into an Islamic country, simply because they are Christian. Muslims are not killed if they convert to another religion and have not sworn allegiance to to an Islamic Nation.

Early Christian practice was to Baptise non-believers and then execute them immediatly before they could sin. That was common with the early missionaries in the Americas, some how they found justification for that. Then there was the inquisition, that was pretty nasty, somehow justification was found for that. I know those things are not happening now, but they have happened and the words are still there, what is to keep it from happening again?
 
I've invited an ex-Muslim and waiting for his reply. But he really HOSTILE against Islam. I've warned you ppl.
 
Hi Woodrow (or 'Uncle Woody' as you seem to be going by! :giggling: )

Woodrow said:
Nope, they get a little stronger in their word. Does not Christianity teach that the only way to the Father is through the Son. So, Therefore God(swt) is going to send everybody to Hell that believes other wise. Somehow, that seems a bit more drastic then killing the person.
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That argument doesn't make sense to me at all.
Yes, scripture teaches that non-believers will be punished in hell.
But the ultimate judgement is Gods, it is not for his followers to make any such judgements! Therefore killing anybody who leaves the faith, would be utterly wrong and non-Christian!

Besides, does the Qu'ran not teach also that non-believers will be punished in hell?
Do you then not, by killing an apostate, send him straight to hell, rather than letting him live and giving him an opportunity to mend his ways?

To be honest I do not know off hand any Christian scripture that would say that a person who rejects Christianity Should be killed. However, abandoning Islam is much stronger then abandoning just a religious belief. It means treason to your nation, alliance with the enemy (another country, not a religion), and many other factors. It is not a thing that would be that extreme if the person was a loyal citizen of another country. It is understood a person can be loyal to another Nation. Christians are not persecuted or killed if they come into an Islamic country, simply because they are Christian. Muslims are not killed if they convert to another religion and have not sworn allegiance to to an Islamic Nation.
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I have to admit that I don't get that at all.:?
It has been discussed in other threads. I guess it's bet if I just le it be. :)

Early Christian practice was to Baptise non-believers and then execute them immediatly before they could sin. That was common with the early missionaries in the Americas, some how they found justification for that. Then there was the inquisition, that was pretty nasty, somehow justification was found for that. I know those things are not happening now, but they have happened and the words are still there, what is to keep it from happening again?
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What can I say?! :uhwhat
I am just reading a book on the history of Christianity, and there is no doubt that people committed horrendous crimes in the name of Jesus Christ! It breaks my heart! :'(
It demonstrates the dangers of following your faith so fervently that you take things into your own hands rather than follow God's word!
These things happen in other religions too, and we do well to stamp such attitudes out amongst the followers of our religions!

However, the difference remains that the New Testament does not (to both our knowledge) instruct followers to kill apostates - whereas the Qu'ran does. :hmm:

Peace.
 
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