Letter to a Christian Missionary

"Hitler the Christian?
"Some people seem to neglect the fact that a person can “claim” to be whatever they please while this claim may have nothing at all to do with reality. Let us consider some instances, quoted by Prof. Richard Dawkins, when Hitler professed his belief in God and Jesus as a Catholic-Christian."
Hitler could have constantly claimed that he was a Christian. He could have claimed to be serving not just any god but the God of the Bible. He could have attended church every day of his life. He could have claimed to be doing what he was doing in the name of Jesus Christ. He could have even prophesied, exorcised and performed miracles. All of this and more would not prove in the least bit that he was a Christian. He could claim it from the roof tops, he could even do the song and dance of religious routines but in the end we know him by his fruits. Jesus and the apostles/disciples never even came close to doing anything that Hitler did, thus he was not following orthodox, plain, clear, biblical, Christian teachings.
Imagine for a moment if Hitler was a Christian, this would mean that the world’s most infamous anti-Semite worshiped a Jewish man as Messiah, Lord, God and Savior. Is it any wonder that Prof. Richard Dawkins wrote, “Hitler, oddly, was always adamant that Jesus himself was not a Jew.”[3] Indeed, whenever “Christians” have demonstrated anti-Semitism it has been with denials of plain facts and plain reading of the Bible that are about as outlandish and unorthodox as Hitler’s denial that Jesus was Jewish."
Hitler the Anti-Christian!
Now that we have considered some examples of Hitler’s claims of being a theist/Catholic/Christian let us view the other side of the coin.

Hitler stated,
“When understanding of the universe has become widespread…Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.”[11]

Prof. Richard Dawkins provides the following quotes from a 1941 Table Talk by Hitler:
“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised [sic] against the disease.”[12]

Prof. Richard Dawkins then states, “Hitler’s Table Talk contains more quotations like those.”

At this point in Prof. Richard Dawkins’ book he experiences a rare, sadly a very rare, moment of clarity when for a brief moment he is able to view the evidence from both sides (of Hitler’s mouth) and come to a solidly lucid conclusion about Hitler (although his overall conclusion is faulty, as we shall see). While this conclusion is in no ways unique to Prof. Richard Dawkins, as it would be obvious to any researcher, it is a bitter sweet occasion. This is because it truly is a very brief and unique accomplishment that occurs perhaps no more than this one single time and only within the very narrow confines of his convenient discussion of Hitler. Were he able to muster this level of emotional self control and rational conclusion more often The God Delusion would certainly be a more interesting, more scholarly, more useful book for both sides of the atheism theism discussion.

The lucidity is in concluding that, as I will state it, Hitler’s personality is about as complex a concoction as Nazism itself which, the aforementioned, Claire Hulme and Dr. Michael Salter referred to as the “chaotic irrationality of the Third Reich.”[13] Hitler believed in animal rights but slaughtered human beings by the millions. He detested smoking but cremated millions of his victims. Both his personality and his beliefs were a cacophonous chaotic concoction.

Prof. Richard Dawkins writes the following,
“Or is the resolution of the contradictions simply that he was an opportunistic liar whose words cannot be trusted, in either direction?”[14]

Indeed, Hitler appears to be schizophrenic, politically opportunistic or both. He said whatever was convenient to his final solution at any given time."
from http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/04/from-zeitgeist-to-poltergeist-part-3-of.html
you should know that christians from my country consider hitler a forerunner of Antichrist
 
Jesus was only Jewiish in respect of being born from the line of david through the woman who gave immaculate birth to him as a man on Earth and he only referred to her as " woman" never as mother for it was God's oly spirit that put him in her womb not by anything she did.
Jesus did however teach non jews as well as some jews but also showed that not al jews really understoon scripture particualrly the jewish leaders of the time.

I am confused to read that Muhammed is also from the line of Abraham as his geneoogy does not go back nearly far enough to establish that and I thought it was only abrahamic because like Jews and Christians, muslims believe in one God.The quran also sadly does not appear to really understand the Holy Spirit of God as far as I have seen

Peace and God's blessings be upon you
 
he only referred to her as " woman" never as mother for it was God's oly spirit that put him in her womb not by anything she did

What kind of man/ Prophet /God/ would calls his mother "WOMAN" JOHN 2:4, the same manner in
which he addresses a prostitute, ". . . WOMAN where are those
thine accusers in John 8:10

Even I would never call my own mother as "woman" and i just cant believe that one of my most revered Prophets would have addressed his mother in such a disgraceful manner

I am confused to read that Muhammed is also from the line of Abraham as his geneoogy does not go back nearly far enough to establish that

Muhammad (PBUH) is from the line of Ishmael who is one of two sons of Abraham as you know

The quran also sadly does not appear to really understand the Holy Spirit of God as far as I have seen

According to the Quran , The Holy spirit is a title given to the Archangel Gabriel who is the angel of revealation just like the "Messiah" is a title given to Jesus, "Khalil "(Friend) is a title given to Abraham and "the Seal of the Prophets" given to Muhammad (PBUH)

Quran is very clear in denouncing Trinity (5:73) and affirming the Oneness of God Almighty. (112:1-4). The Holy Spirit in the Quran is clearly defined as the angel Gabriel who has been the angel between The Almighty God and the human beings,

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.


So the Holy spirit has brought down the Quran to the prophet Muhammad, this is non other than the angel Gabriel, this is what the Quran says concerning Gabriel :

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YUSUFALI: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

So as you can see the Holy spirit can be non other than the angel Gabriel , the Holy spirit brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers, the angel Gabriel brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers! Hence the Holy Spirit is Gabriel and Gabriel is the Holy spirit!

Thus Holy spirit in Islam is not a fiction of polytheist imagination depicted by a dove as a 3rd person of the senseless pagan trinity doctrine .
 
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What kind of man/ Prophet /God/ would calls his mother "WOMAN" JOHN 2:4, the same manner in
which he addresses a prostitute, ". . . WOMAN where are those
thine accusers in John 8:10

Even I would never call my own mother as "woman" and i just cant believe that one of my most revered Prophets would have addressed his mother in such a disgraceful manner
But, then again, you weren't raised in the same culture that Jesus was. Jesus' way of addressing his mother is fully in keeping with the culture from which he came.


Thus Holy spirit in Islam is not a fiction of polytheist imagination depicted by a dove as a 3rd person of the senseless pagan trinity doctrine .

And the Holy Spirit in Christianity is not a fictional being nor is our asserition of his existence derived from pagan doctrine. The following are references to the Holy Spirit found in the Hebrew Bible:
  1. Psalm 51:11
    Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.
  2. Isaiah 63:10
    Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.
  3. Isaiah 63:11
    Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,
 
What kind of man/ Prophet /God/ would calls his mother "WOMAN" JOHN 2:4, the same manner in
which he addresses a prostitute, ". . . WOMAN where are those
thine accusers in John 8:10

Even I would never call my own mother as "woman" and i just cant believe that one of my most revered Prophets would have addressed his mother in such a disgraceful manner

Jsus called her "woman for she was human and not truely his mother as he came from above. Gabriel is in no sense the Hoy Spirit in the Bible but can be used by God as a messanger as other angels are too to help people stay away from sin;but profound lessons come fromGod's Holy Spirit not an angel. Satan was an angelk before his fall for example and angels are not as powerful as people.

Bless you



Muhammad (PBUH) is from the line of Ishmael who is one of two sons of Abraham as you know
All I know from the Bible is that it only covers Ishmeal down to his own children and there are nomore references to that Child of Abrahm in the Bible.

I have also read that Muhammed PBUH did resist attemts to have his ancestors traced beyond a few generations.
It also strikes me as suprising that the Line of prophets and holy people from Abraham onwards go through Issac, Jacob ( the Father of the Twelve tribes); Moses; Joshua,; Gideon; Samson; Samual; David; Solomon; Johah; Amos; Issiah; Joel; Hoshea; Micah; Zephania; Jerremiah; Habakkuk; Daniel; Ezekial; Haggia; Zephania.
That is just up to 500 BC, Then: Nehemiah; Malachi.
Then: the Greek Bible (Septuagint) was translated at Alexandria, in Egypt by 70 Hebrew scholars. This translation was authorized by the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem in order to give Jewish exiles a scripture in the language of their exile; Followed by Maccabees;
Then: John the Baptist and finally Jesus.




According to the Quran , The Holy spirit is a title given to the Archangel Gabriel who is the angel of revealation just like the "Messiah" is a title given to Jesus, "Khalil "(Friend) is a title given to Abraham and "the Seal of the Prophets" given to Muhammad (PBUH)

Quran is very clear in denouncing Trinity (5:73) and affirming the Oneness of God Almighty. (112:1-4). The Holy Spirit in the Quran is clearly defined as the angel Gabriel who has been the angel between The Almighty God and the human beings,

016.102
YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.


So the Holy spirit has brought down the Quran to the prophet Muhammad, this is non other than the angel Gabriel, this is what the Quran says concerning Gabriel :

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YUSUFALI: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

So as you can see the Holy spirit can be non other than the angel Gabriel , the Holy spirit brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers, the angel Gabriel brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers! Hence the Holy Spirit is Gabriel and Gabriel is the Holy spirit!

Thus Holy spirit in Islam is not a fiction of polytheist imagination depicted by a dove as a 3rd person of the senseless pagan trinity doctrine .
Whio said anything about a dove and how does Gods Holy Spirit come to us whilst God remains in in Heaven. I repeat angels bring messages for individuals and Gabriel is an angel with respect.
GOD BLESS YOU
 
But, then again, you weren't raised in the same culture that Jesus was. Jesus' way of addressing his mother is fully in keeping with the culture from which he came.

You're right , by the biblical for someone who came from the culture of riding little cherubs and then ordering the killing of women and children . i shouldnt have expected good behavior and he even ignored a Gentile women begging for help:

(Mark 7:25-28)
For a [certain] woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs.
And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.

And the Holy Spirit in Christianity is not a fictional being nor is our asserition of his existence derived from pagan doctrine.
Whio said anything about a dove

Then why do draw out pictures of a dove which clear violates one of your lord's commandment .Its the pagans who draw pictures of god

8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

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Satan was an angelk before his fall for example and angels are not as powerful as people.

Satan was a djinn(demon) and not an angel .Angels obey whatever god tell them and they do not have a free will like human and Demons .
 
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Then why do draw out pictures of a dove which clear violates one of your lord's commandment .Its the pagans who draw pictures of god

8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

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I would suggest that attempting to draw a picture of an event that took place in scripture be it Moses standing before the burning bush or the Holy Spirit coming down in the form of a dove is NOT a violation of the commandment to not make an idol.

Idols are things that substitute in the place of a god. A picture is not a substitute for God. It is not worshipped as a god, and it certainly is not understood to be God. If anyone treats a picture in those ways that would be wrong. But the mere creation of a picture as part of story telling is no more wrong than how you yourself copied that dove onto this page, and the drawing of a picture or making of a statue (as long as not used for worship) as an object of art is no more wrong than the decoration of a mosque with geometeric designs.
 
Salam Supreme

Let's see how hitler justified his atrocities
In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of his interpretation of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
Tell me, how does hitler justify his crimes?

Read the quote above. Hitler himself tells us what his motivation is.

Were you so busy trying to justify this twaddle that you forgot to actually read the article you cite?

In the political relations with the churches in Germany however, Hitler readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes".[314] Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich.[317][318][319] The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position.[317]
 
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