Salaam
This is a point, foundations of America is built on the old culture, whats disturbing with the rise of secularism/liberalism/leftism/(capitalism?) is that now this culture has gone into serious decline we see a corresponding rise of authoritarianism and cultural degradation (In the UK but can apply elsewhere). I agree that the whole Right/Left paradigm is a relic of the 'enlightenment' thought, it should be dispensed with (but I'll use it anyway
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I think the main problem with Liberals and Leftists they have a hard time excepting that people might not want to agree with them and want to live in a different way according to their own customs, culture, traditions. I was initially was attracted to them because they were a lot more tolerant and accepting of minorities etc than those on the right but my experience with them left me disappointed, realising how much I would have to 'conform' to gain their 'approval', they are very good at wearing masks and can be very manipulative.
Contrast this with those on the 'right' who even though we disagreed on a lot of things they were more upfront and direct in many respects.
In the UK Muslims were an 'approved' minority among liberals while they served their purpose (they thought we were going to over time secularise ourselves out of existence and become 'good' liberals), but now they realise this is going to happen they are now mewling on about 'equality and diversity', 'integration' and 'social cohesion', meanwhile making conditions 'hard' across the board to make Muslims 'conform'.
Syria, Gaza and the Criminalisation of Islam
Its all very confusing, I think it will take me a lifetime to understand this :hmm:.
Some more book recommendations.
There was a great review for this book that has since been removed, :heated:. he summed the book up nicely that contrary to all the talk of liberals being inherently tolerant and all that, they are more inclined to behave like 'moral totalitarians' particularly when they gain influence and power.
Blurb
Mill and Liberalism was first published in 1963. Initial reactions varied from the uncomprehending to the splenetic.
In the intervening quarter-century the intellectual climate has changed as reflected by its greatest exemplar, to warrant fresh consideration. Unlike many commentators, before or subsequently,
Maurice Cowling endeavours to view Mill's thought as a coherent whole with a specific proselytising purpose, geared to the emasculation of Christianity and its replacement by a libertarian public doctrine. This interpretation aroused much contemporary hostility, and in a new introduction Cowling locates Mill and Liberalism within the broader intellectual history of post-war Britain, looking at the various strands of the 'new Right' and relating the academic to more specifically journalistic or political manifestations.
This book really purged my mind of any naive views I had of liberals.
Blurb
Dawkins and Hitchens have convinced many western intellectuals that secularism is the way forward. But most people don't read their books before deciding whether to be religious. Instead, they inherit their faith from their parents, who often innoculate them against the elegant arguments of secularists. And what no one has noticed is that far from declining, the religious are expanding their share of the population: in fact, the more religious people are, the more children they have. The cumulative effect of immigration from religious countries, and religious fertility will be to reverse the secularisation process in the West. Not only will the religious eventually triumph over the non-religious, but it is those who are the most extreme in their beliefs who have the largest families.
Within Judaism, the Ultra-Orthodox may achieve majority status over their liberal counterparts by mid-century. Islamist Muslims have won the culture war in much of the Muslim world, and their success provides a glimpse of what awaits the Christian West and Israel. Based on a wealth of demographic research, considering questions of multiculturalism and terrorism, Kaufmann examines the implications of the decline in liberal secularism as religious conservatism rises - and what this means for the future of western modernity.
Tim Farron was 'eased' out as leader of the Liberal democrats because of his Christian views.
One way of dealing with a liberal.
The word "liberal" has been so badly abused and had so many meanings that it is now a useless word. There is Modern Culture which can be divided into the Modern Left and Modern Right. And there is Traditional America which was Christian and is now dead. Traditional America was a great culture which allowed freedom of religion and economic freedom (capitalism). The freedom enjoyed by Muslims in America is mostly due to laws put in place by Traditional America. Modern Culture is pure evil and hates all forms of freedom including religious freedom, economic freedom, and freedom of speech. This applies equally to the Left and Right. The only reason that the Left supports Islam is as a way of attacking the Right. The Left shares no values with Islam and fundamentally hates tradition and morality. The best path for Muslims is to be nonpartisan. Vote for whoever is most tolerant of Islam and ignore the Left/Right divide.
This is a point, foundations of America is built on the old culture, whats disturbing with the rise of secularism/liberalism/leftism/(capitalism?) is that now this culture has gone into serious decline we see a corresponding rise of authoritarianism and cultural degradation (In the UK but can apply elsewhere). I agree that the whole Right/Left paradigm is a relic of the 'enlightenment' thought, it should be dispensed with (but I'll use it anyway

I think the main problem with Liberals and Leftists they have a hard time excepting that people might not want to agree with them and want to live in a different way according to their own customs, culture, traditions. I was initially was attracted to them because they were a lot more tolerant and accepting of minorities etc than those on the right but my experience with them left me disappointed, realising how much I would have to 'conform' to gain their 'approval', they are very good at wearing masks and can be very manipulative.
Contrast this with those on the 'right' who even though we disagreed on a lot of things they were more upfront and direct in many respects.
In the UK Muslims were an 'approved' minority among liberals while they served their purpose (they thought we were going to over time secularise ourselves out of existence and become 'good' liberals), but now they realise this is going to happen they are now mewling on about 'equality and diversity', 'integration' and 'social cohesion', meanwhile making conditions 'hard' across the board to make Muslims 'conform'.
Syria, Gaza and the Criminalisation of Islam
Its all very confusing, I think it will take me a lifetime to understand this :hmm:.
Some more book recommendations.
There was a great review for this book that has since been removed, :heated:. he summed the book up nicely that contrary to all the talk of liberals being inherently tolerant and all that, they are more inclined to behave like 'moral totalitarians' particularly when they gain influence and power.
Blurb
Mill and Liberalism was first published in 1963. Initial reactions varied from the uncomprehending to the splenetic.
In the intervening quarter-century the intellectual climate has changed as reflected by its greatest exemplar, to warrant fresh consideration. Unlike many commentators, before or subsequently,
Maurice Cowling endeavours to view Mill's thought as a coherent whole with a specific proselytising purpose, geared to the emasculation of Christianity and its replacement by a libertarian public doctrine. This interpretation aroused much contemporary hostility, and in a new introduction Cowling locates Mill and Liberalism within the broader intellectual history of post-war Britain, looking at the various strands of the 'new Right' and relating the academic to more specifically journalistic or political manifestations.

This book really purged my mind of any naive views I had of liberals.
Blurb
Dawkins and Hitchens have convinced many western intellectuals that secularism is the way forward. But most people don't read their books before deciding whether to be religious. Instead, they inherit their faith from their parents, who often innoculate them against the elegant arguments of secularists. And what no one has noticed is that far from declining, the religious are expanding their share of the population: in fact, the more religious people are, the more children they have. The cumulative effect of immigration from religious countries, and religious fertility will be to reverse the secularisation process in the West. Not only will the religious eventually triumph over the non-religious, but it is those who are the most extreme in their beliefs who have the largest families.
Within Judaism, the Ultra-Orthodox may achieve majority status over their liberal counterparts by mid-century. Islamist Muslims have won the culture war in much of the Muslim world, and their success provides a glimpse of what awaits the Christian West and Israel. Based on a wealth of demographic research, considering questions of multiculturalism and terrorism, Kaufmann examines the implications of the decline in liberal secularism as religious conservatism rises - and what this means for the future of western modernity.

Tim Farron was 'eased' out as leader of the Liberal democrats because of his Christian views.
One way of dealing with a liberal.
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