Libya Protests

[جوري]

The only thing that I am really scared of in this whole issue is that Libya may end up like Iraq!
If this condition last more, US may invade Libya claiming that they are fighting terrorism! while I am sure that their real motive will be the oil in Libya. The exact same Iraqi scenario will be repeated in Libya.

If that happened, then we have to expect the worse for Libya! May Allah protect Libya from any harm and grant them peace soon.

I agree with you, they are going to see this as an opportunity to go in with their troops to 'uphold peace and do good'.. that is exactly why I am saying peaceful protests won't work in Libya.. the variables are different here!

 

[aadil77]

What a messed up situation we have in libya, its obvious islamic militias will eventually take control and when that happens NATO will step in

 

[Reflections]

Gaddafi addresses the crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-2ZD1EYe0

 

[Zuzubu]

Alright, Libya Tunisia Egypt. It's weak countries, since places like Saudi Arabia and Jordan are too wealthy to go under.

Maybe it's Yemen.

 

[جوري]

What a messed up situation we have in libya, its obvious islamic militias will eventually take control and when that happens NATO will step in

Do they have Islamic militias in Libya? Whatever the case America is definitely weakening.. they can't have their grip here and there, they've run out of hands and resources.. that in and of itself is worth it for me!

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

From what i've gathered, the u.s. as well as few european countries, particularly italy, u.k. and france, are interested in sending their forces to libya for obvious reasons as Turkey's Erdogan has noted. This time tho, they're not using the 'Terrorism' or the 'Islamists' card, they're playing the "saviors" role, at least in the U.S. that is what they're trying to sell to the masses. They are reporting that the Libyan people want us to come and "save" them, and "we don't want to make the same mistake as rwanda". They have talked initially about the Islamic fighters in the area, who don't really have a presence inside Libya, but have abandoned that story, as it had no legs. Plus they couldn't be seen to be agreeing with the lunatic's claims.

What i'm not sure and waiting to see is whether these four countries can agree and see eye to eye before its too late, for them.

 

[Zuzubu]

Can't agree more

 

[Danah]

From what i've gathered, the u.s. as well as few european countries, particularly italy, u.k. and france, are interested in sending their forces to libya for obvious reasons as Turkey's Erdogan has noted. This time tho, they're not using the 'Terrorism' or the 'Islamists' card, they're playing the "saviors" role, at least in the U.S. that is what they're trying to sell to the masses. They are reporting that the Libyan people want us to come and "save" them, and "we don't want to make the same mistake as rwanda". They have talked initially about the Islamic fighters in the area, who don't really have a presence inside Libya, but have abandoned that story, as it had no legs. Plus they couldn't be seen to be agreeing with the lunatic's claims.

What i'm not sure and waiting to see is whether these four countries can agree and see eye to eye before its too late, for them.

Exactly! This is what I meant. And their main goal will be the oil and the wealth of the Libyan land!

 

[yas2010]

...it has been reported that in Oman there has been anti-regime uprising. May Allah (swt) help them.

 

[Danah]

^ yeah I heard also that one person was killed in the protest!

 

[aadil77]

Do they have Islamic militias in Libya? Whatever the case America is definitely weakening.. they can't have their grip here and there, they've run out of hands and resources.. that in and of itself is worth it for me!

well they're muslims and all you hear them chanting on tv is la illaha illalah and allahu akbar - thats enough for them to be labled islamists

 

[Cabdullahi]

I've read this from another forum

The Timeline

2000: US-funded and trained Otpor in Serbia overthrows Slobodan Milosevic.

2002: Otpor starts hosting Georgian and Ukranian protesters for preparation of "Rose Revolution" and "Orange Revolution."

2003: Otpor travels to Zimbabwe to train protesters. Srdja Popovic decides to found CANVAS

2008: Egyptian April 6 Movement leaders attend US State Department summit in NYC.

2009: April 6 Movement attends training in Serbia under CANVAS.

2010: February, April 6 Movement meets US International Crisis Group trustee Mohamed ElBaradei at Cario's airport. With Google exec Wael Ghonim, they begin conducting ElBaradei's presidential campaign and organizing protests on behalf of ElBaradei's "National Front for Change" for the next year.

2011: January-February April 6, Mohamed ElBaradei, the National Front for Change, assist in the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak.

2011: February, George Soros funded NGOs begin submitting draft constitutions for Egypt's new government.

I saw a documentary on Aljazeera english about those who were organizing the protests in egypt...and they were getting advice and guidance from the otpor group which is headed by Srdja Popovic, you can clearly see him addressing the Egyptian revolutionists @ 5.39 into the vid

You can see it in this vid skip to 4.29

I dont know what to make of this.........did the US train a group of Egyptians to ignite the revolt?.........maybe i should spend less time in this particular forum where i found this info

 

[جوري]

I dont know what to make of this.........did the US train a group of Egyptians to ignite the revolt?.........maybe i should spend less time in this particular forum where i found this info

The U.S wants the world to believe that they're a super power and a major player.. I assure you that they wanted a 'New Middle east' sad thing it is completely out of their hand and they can't handle the chaos.. if this sort of thing happens in Jordan it will for sure spell disaster for them and Israel given how many Palestinians are refugees there.. already two Iranian war ships passed through the canal to Syria .. and the U.S is whittled away in Afghanistan and Iraq.. so even if their war of words is all they've got, it is saying very little because it is global and colossal!!!!!

 

[Trumble]

From what i've gathered, the u.s. as well as few european countries, particularly italy, u.k. and france, are interested in sending their forces to libya for obvious reasons as Turkey's Erdogan has noted. This time tho, they're not using the 'Terrorism' or the 'Islamists' card, they're playing the "saviors" role, at least in the U.S. that is what they're trying to sell to the masses. They are reporting that the Libyan people want us to come and "save" them, and "we don't want to make the same mistake as rwanda". They have talked initially about the Islamic fighters in the area, who don't really have a presence inside Libya, but have abandoned that story, as it had no legs. Plus they couldn't be seen to be agreeing with the lunatic's claims.

Do you actually have any source for that load of rubbish that you've 'gathered'? Perhaps the text of the relevant speech? The idea of occupying Italian forces there for 'obvious reasons' (by which I assume you mean the usual line about stealing all the oil) is particularly hilarious. Mussolini has been dead for a while, now!

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

 

[جوري]

Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

You must turn on your TV sometimes..even if you can't see the big strategic picture beyond the drivel on TV, surely you can see that their 'backsides' are equally protesting on the streets in their respective countries. Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Bahrain .. It is a fever catching on.. so in fact everyone is doing what they can in their place of residence!

all the best

 

[Cabdullahi]

Do you actually have any source for that load of rubbish that you've 'gathered'? Perhaps the text of the relevant speech? The idea of occupying Italian forces there for 'obvious reasons' (by which I assume you mean the usual line about stealing all the oil) is particularly hilarious. Mussolini has been dead for a while, now!

Back in the real world. The UN World Food Program has stated that the food supply chain in Libya is close to collapse. Hopefully, for all concerned, things will resolve themselves quickly, so that doesn't happen. If it did, though, what would you want to happen? Or to rephrase that, to avoid any joke suggestions such as the Arab League or the 'Islamic World' actually doing anything other than sitting on their collective backsides, what would you want to happen that actually might?

The American government said all options are on the table.......so anything could happen....only time will tell.

If Qaddafi starts slaughtering the people by the thousands (God forbid) then someone has to intervene...

 

[جوري]

If Qaddafi starts slaughtering the people by the thousands (God forbid) then someone has to intervene...

I don't think the people of Libya will allow that to happen, anymore than the people of Egypt or Tunisia allowed it to happen.. I do understand that the situation is different given his brutality.. but it he has already locked himself in the city and is surrounded by his people and the army for the most part have taken the people' sides.. so it is a matter of time..
It isn't at all wise to look for western interference.. the minute you give them an inch it will be another 200 years before the people will be rid of them.. this is an internal affair!

 

[Cabdullahi]

I don't think the people of Libya will allow that to happen, anymore than the people of Egypt or Tunisia allowed it to happen.. I do understand that the situation is different given his brutality.. but it he has already locked himself in the city and is surrounded by his people and the army for the most part have taken the people' sides.. so it is a matter of time..
It isn't at all wise to look for western interference.. the minute you give them an inch it will be another 200 years before the people will be rid of them.. this is an internal affair!

Gaddafi bombs protesters near Tripoli

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167371.html

hes going crazy!
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[جوري]

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indeed, he is a brute and I don't mean as a beguiler but a terrible despot.. his day will come soon.. I don't think that what worked for Egypt and Tunisia will necessarily work for Libya (peaceful protest) that is however, there is no going back for Qadafi.. things aren't going to go back to normal.. what happened is life altering to the extreme.. so we've to sit and watch as things unfold but NO outside interference.. I don't think the Libyans are sitting reading Islamicboard or others.. these people know what they want because they're living it not because outsiders are explaining it to them..

and Allah swt knows best

 

[Ramadhan]

It's just an added bonus that Libya has huge oil reserves.

From what i've gathered, the u.s. as well as few european countries, particularly italy, u.k. and france, are interested in sending their forces to libya for obvious reasons as Turkey's Erdogan has noted. This time tho, they're not using the 'Terrorism' or the 'Islamists' card, they're playing the "saviors" role, at least in the U.S. that is what they're trying to sell to the masses. They are reporting that the Libyan people want us to come and "save" them, and "we don't want to make the same mistake as rwanda". They have talked initially about the Islamic fighters in the area, who don't really have a presence inside Libya, but have abandoned that story, as it had no legs. Plus they couldn't be seen to be agreeing with the lunatic's claims.