Life and Property

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IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ bro it is clearly established that every child is born a muslim upon islaam. later the society and environment brings them into shirk which leads them astray...
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But I don't see that as contradicting what I posted though?

Anyways, we're going horribly off-topic. :omg:
 
^ oh lol sory i jus re-read yours.


yeah it kinda states the obvious though :D mashaAllaah :)
 
barney said:
Nope its a serious question.:)
an atheists Pub. That sort of building.

The Human being involved would be an innocent child.
Theres no way to save both. One of them has to go.
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Id choose the obvious choice, and most humane one..........












.... the pub :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Ebtisweetsam said:
Id choose the obvious choice, and most humane one..........












.... the pub :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Nahh! You cant ! Your not atheist!:D
You have to choose between the most holy place to your religion, Al-aqsar/ kabaa, or the single human life.
 
I wud save a human life! Buildings are important.. but what use wud they be if no1 was in there 2 pray in them!!

btw.. isnt every baby born muslim? isnt that why when sum1 embrases Islam they called them a revert? :S
 
barney said:
Hi.
A earlier post prompted me to post this.

If there was an unaltrable choice between choosing between the death of a human and the destruction of the most sacred building to your religion, Would you prefer the building to be saved?
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i didn't vote - how can an agnostic or an atheist participate? we ain't got no sacred buildings! ;D
 
barney said:
Hi.
Would you prefer the building to be saved?
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No, buildings are meaningless.
God lives in us, not in man-made buildings.

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? (1Corinthians)
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Gator said:
(Plus I hadn't read that a Pub could be one of the targets, so that might change things as well. :))
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Is the pub the sacred building of your choice, Gator? :D
 
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It's quite heartneing to see the results so far.

I had been wondering about that for a while after watching a lot of the Palastinian Children's show, Pioneers of Tommorow, where all the kids are cheering that they'll die for the sake of al-aqsar.
I assumed that it must be fairly important, but its nice to see sanity is mostly prevailing! :D
 
Voted a no!, A building can be rebuild, a life can also be remade, but it wont!
 
Voted no, obviously.
However, there's children dying for no reason all the time, the child in question would at least die for something..
 
barney said:
It's quite heartneing to see the results so far.

I had been wondering about that for a while after watching a lot of the Palastinian Children's show, Pioneers of Tommorow, where all the kids are cheering that they'll die for the sake of al-aqsar.
I assumed that it must be fairly important, but its nice to see sanity is mostly prevailing! :D
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Ahh, now i can see what ur getting at Barns! Well see, they mean their land, struggling to live in it, have their freedom. When they mean dying for it, it doesnt mean they'd get their bro or sis and put em in front of a jewish army and let them get shot.
 
A human life is more valuable than any building out there.
 
So... what if it isn't an innocent child?

What if it is a person from a competing religion (if you're a muslim say its a jew). What if its an atheist. What if its somebody who isn't so innocent, say a thief or an adulterer?

Does the person involved matter in your decision? Or is a human life a human life, full stop?
 
Pygoscelis said:
So... what if it isn't an innocent child?

What if it is a person from a competing religion (if you're a muslim say its a jew). What if its an atheist. What if its somebody who isn't so innocent, say a thief or an adulterer?

Does the person involved matter in your decision? Or is a human life a human life, full stop?
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Speaking for myself, it doesn't matter whether the individual is a saint or not, if you choose a structure over a human life it would stain that structure anyway. Too many holy structures, especially in Jerusalem, have been stained with centuries of blood.
 
crayon said:
A human life is more valuable than any building out there.
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If a person wanted to try and attack a holy place of ours, any Muslim we know would try and save that building. DOn't forget our sacred buildings are preserved as signs and lessons to future generations. An unselfish person would sacrafice their life for the building.

Only fools think we sacrifice it for some plain building, it is a symbol, one more important than all of us. Any one of us would defend the Ka'baa to death. Are we bad then?
 
Lots of people have sacrificed themselves for symbols in the past.
Look at British Redcoats of the 1700's and 1800's dying to save their Colours, (the regiments flag).

But thats drifting the thread a bit.
We are talking about whats more important. A human life or a sacred symbol.
 
Is the Human life bing given up unwillingly or willingly? Am I the person deciding whether or not to sacrifice my own life for it? If it is me making the decision for myself, I would most certainly sacrifice myself to keep Allah's symbols here on the earth for future generations. Perhaps it may be a lesson to others to put Allah ahead of themselves.

We are all servants of Allah. To him do we belong and to him do we return. The sacred sites in Islam must be preserved for the knowledge and benefit of future Muslims. I would gladly sacrifice myself if it meant that Muslims in the future had better knowledge of Allah's presence.
 

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