Living with a non-Muslim

[Abdul Qadir]

Assalamou Alaikoum Warahmatou ALLAH Taala Wabarakatou,

Brother Abdul Kadir I blame you as well and your family to allowed to your sister from the begininig to have freedom and to bring this christian chap to your house from the first day you should be clear with him and her , you should ask him if he will accept the islam or not and if he said no then noway he stayed in your house , your sister you should ask her if she will give up this christian chap or not if she said no then outside is her home there is no question about it its clear if she choose to become christian and to leave with christians then its up to her but without costing a damage to you and your parents and ALLAH SWT who knows

wa'alaikum salam warahmatullahi wabarakathu...

 

[Abdul Qadir]

"Do not talk to your sister about coming back to Islam, she hasn't listened to your parents, and most likely will not listen to you."

Brother ourislamic, this doesn't make sense...then won't Allah question me about my sister?

 

[Abdul Qadir]

The good news is that it is not *haram* to marry a Christian or a Jew as no where in the Quran does it state this (see the links below). Only polytheists (Mushrik) or total disbelievers can not marry Muslim women, until and until they believe in Allah as Allah Himself says in the Quran 2:221.

Sister Sameera,

Thanks for the explanation but u got it pathetically wrong there (refer to the quote)...

 

[جوري]

What an unfortunate situation at home, may Allah swt grant you sabr, I don't know how your parents could tolerate this or even you.. nothing in this world is worth losing your soul.. financial or otherwise.. surely if you trust and carry out your duties toward Allah swt he'll find you a way out.. I think I'd throw your sister and her kaffir husband out, or try to find some sort of small flat to live with your parents with what you can afford until Allah swt improves your situation..

la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah

 

[Abdul Qadir]

What an unfortunate situation at home, may Allah swt grant you sabr, I don't know how your parents could tolerate this or even you.. nothing in this world is worth losing your soul.. financial or otherwise.. surely if you trust and carry out your duties toward Allah swt he'll find you a way out.. I think I'd throw your sister and her kaffir husband out, or try to find some sort of small flat to live with your parents with what you can afford until Allah swt improves your situation..

la 7wala wla qiwta illa billah

Well said sister,

May Allah bless us and forgive us.....=)..

 

[Abdul Qadir]

Because as a muslims we are not allowed to marry a christian man until he becomes a muslim thats our religion and we are proud of our religion the islam
ALLAH IS GREAT, ALLAH IS GREAT,ALLAH IS GREAT,AALLAH IS GREAT,AND OUR PROPHET MOHAMMED SALLA ALLAHO ALAIHI WASSALLAM IS WONDERFUL

Sis, u speak nothing but the truth..bro, its not right for a Kafir to stay in a muslim's house..if that happens, its a defeat to islam...i cannot explain that now, if u want, i can do it...but the thing is, he wears shirts the kafir way..and my mum is staying in the house..how is a kafir let alone anyone allowed to look at a women's hair, neck etc apart from those which a mahram to them????

 

[Abdul Qadir]

and he knows these...its just utter disrespect that he insists on staying at my house...

 

[Sameera]

Salams,

Br Abdul Kadir, it is entirely up to you if you do not wish to follow my naseeha or the evidence in the links I posted, but there is no need for inflamatory language.

In any case I have spent time writing this for the sake of Allah and do not need your 'approval' it is up to you if you do not even wish to know or investigate the evidence I posted nor understand the arabic terminology for 'polytheists'.

As for "your house" if it is really *your house* and not your sister's then you can simply ask them both to leave, esp since she is now married and her husband is responsible to maintain her.

Ws

 

[Abdul Qadir]

Salams,

Br Abdul Kadir, it is entirely up to you if you do not wish to follow my naseeha or the evidence in the links I posted, but there is no need for inflamatory language.

In any case I have spent time writing this for the sake of Allah and do not need your 'approval' it is up to you if you do not even wish to know or investigate the evidence I posted nor understand the arabic terminology for 'polytheists'.

As for "your house" if it is really *your house* and not your sister's then you can simply ask them both to leave, esp since she is now married and her husband is responsible to maintain her.

Ws

Sister Sameera,

Im sorry if i hurt you, i must admit i used strong words. please forgive me...I am not disapproving or anything like that. Yes, im happy to see you have tried to help me for Allah's sake...May Allah reward you for this..Jazakullahu khair...I will start paying for the house soon insyallah and will ask them to leave...Im just a frustrated man atm...:embarrass

 

[Rabi'ya]

bro, amshAllah I admire you for your patience.

May Allah bless you for this and reward you highly in this life and the next.

I can't really give you any practical advice as you already seem to have thigns in hand. I can only agree that you paying for the house and getting them out is the best way forward. I just pray that things will go smoothly for you and that Allah makes it easy for you.

 

[Abdul Qadir]

bro, amshAllah I admire you for your patience.

May Allah bless you for this and reward you highly in this life and the next.

I can't really give you any practical advice as you already seem to have thigns in hand. I can only agree that you paying for the house and getting them out is the best way forward. I just pray that things will go smoothly for you and that Allah makes it easy for you.

Thanks sister, you are a gem...May Allah make us acquire the Whole Quran by heart and abide to it...Ameen..=)

 

[Muslim Woman]

Pray at home, and pray openly..

It's recommended that men should offer Fard salat in Jammat at the mosque . Reward is 27 times more than offering Fard salat for them at home. Yes , Sunnat and nafal can be offered at home.

To the OP bro , I think , the one good thing came out from the horrible situation is - now u go to the mosque 5 times a day - that's really wonderful

Have patience , encourage ur parents to depend on Allah and not to tolerate the illegal relationship of ur sister . As already stated , he is not her legal husband . So , tell ur sis she can stay with u all but not that man. It's not because a non-Muslim can't stay with Muslims but because the marriage is not valid . Without having a relationship , he is allowed to stay as a paying guest but he must dress and act modestly.

May Allah help you all , Ameen.

 

[Abdul Qadir]

It's recommended that men should offer Fard salat in Jammat at the mosque . Reward is 27 times more than offering Fard salat for them at home. Yes , Sunnat and nafal can be offered at home.

To the OP bro , I think , the one good thing came out from the horrible situation is - now u go to the mosque 5 times a day - that's really wonderful

Have patience , encourage ur parents to depend on Allah and not to tolerate the illegal relationship of ur sister . As already stated , he is not her legal husband . So , tell ur sis she can stay with u all but not that man. It's not because a non-Muslim can't stay with Muslims but because the marriage is not valid . Without having a relationship , he is allowed to stay as a paying guest but he must dress and act modestly.

May Allah help you all , Ameen.

Yes sis, I dun mind him coming to my house as a guest...but the reason i hate him is because of his inteference with my deen...I see this as a defeat...i pray to allah for victory and strength...such a musibah...

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

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What are you saying? You have just gone against the consensus of scholars once again but this time you have gone against the consensus of ALL scholars of Islam!

No scholar has disputed the fact that a Muslim women CANNOT marry a non Muslim man. Allah Almighty says, “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al Mushrikun (atheists) till they believe (in Allah Alone)” (Al-Baqarah: 221)
And “And never will Allah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers” (An-Nisaa’: 141)

How can you make what is haraam as halaal? What you have done is a grave error which has taken you out of the fold of Islam!

Do you know the website which you have quoted? Al Mawrid Institute is run by Javed Ahmed Ghamdi who is the head of Al Mawrid Institute Lahore, Renaissance, Understanding Islam, Islamic Issues etc.

This guy and his affiliates are deviants to the extreme of rejecting the Nasoos of the Quran let alone the Hadith. He is a follower of Ghulam Ahmed Parvez who is a well known hadith rejector.

Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, together with his disciples Khalid Zaheer, Moiz Amjad and others is spreading ULTRA-MODERNIST & DANGEROUS ideas in Pakistan through Geo TV and AAJ Tv etc.

His disciple Khalid Zaheer depicts Ghulam Ahmed Ghamidi's Philosphy of Criticizing everything except Quran.

These people just reject Hadith for the sake of it without any reference. Khalid Zaheer categorizes a Saheeh Hadeeth as daeef (weak) and says that its Sanad (chain of narration) is not valid! He has no concept of what Sanad Means and Ilm ur Rijal (to distinguish authentic from unauthentic hadith)

They have also set up various 'institutes' to impart religious education to the masses.

Amongst the dangerous ideas that they believe in and promote are the following:

1. Questioning the validity and authenticity of hadiths, in imitation of goldziher and schacht & other orientalists.

2. Denying in the descent of Sayyidna 'Isa bin Maryam (alayhis salaam).

3. Denying the trial of the Dajjal.

4. Not believing in the following of the 4 Sunni schools of fiqh.

5. Denying the concept of hijab in Islam.

6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible

Apart from this these gentlemen also hold the view that there is no concept of wirtr prayers in Islam.

These people get their support from three four places:

1. The Civil Bureacracy in Pakistan fully supports Ghamidi
2. Ghamidi is on the advisory panel of Qadiyanis led by IA Rehman, Asma Jahangir
3. Military Support from the existing president, Ghamidi is an advisor to President of Pakistan on Islamic Issues
4. The secular, apostate business class. ( I suggest that people take a look at the team members of the Al Mawrid Institute, this who live in Pakistan will know how much Islamic are the Team Members of Al Mawrid

He makes regular apprearances on GEO TV in Pakistan. Ghamidi has special interest in the Qadinyanis who are Kaafirs who claim that Ghulam Mirza Qaadiyani was a Prophet After Muhammed (Pbuh) and much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles.

Urdu Works of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

1- Al Bayan
2. Al Mizan
3. Burhan (Criticism on Imams, Ijtihad, Ulema and Ahadith)
4. Ikhlaqiat etc.

Which are all complete mockerys of Islam.

At present he is being fully supported by the Qadiyani Lobby against the Hudood Ordinance. The next target given to GEO and Ghamidi is surely to fight against the 295-C Blasphemy Law, to accomodate Qadiyanis.

Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source.

He goes on to say that some Ahadith have been misinterpreted by ALL (yes ALL) the Imams, Mufasirs, Muhaditheen, Fuqah, Ulemas of 1500 years.

Ghamidi and his disciples also use the word Quran and Sunnah and separate Hadith from Sunnah.

Ghamadi enjoys special company with the enemies of Islam Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes.

And Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz and his adherents (Parvezi's) - the Ulema(scholars) have declared them as Kafirs(disbelievers), on the basis of being rejectors of hadith.

My sister first you quote from a website which claims that Rasulallah (Pbuh) can hear us where ever we are and now you are quoting from the biggest shaythans in Pakistan claiming that Muslim women are allowed to marry non Muslim men which again has gone against the teachings of the Qur'an and sunnah and you are quoting from people who reject hadith altogether.

The consensus of the scholars have deemed these people kaafir and apostates for they reject hadith and they have made their own translation of the Qur'an which contradicts that of the sahaba, salaf us saaliheen, and all the mufasireen and greatest scholars of 1500 years.

Their aim is to create a modernist Islam and rid Islam of hadith and most fundamental aspects of Islam.

My sister I urge you to get yourself into Islamic sisters classes and learning about Islam,fiqh,tafsir,seerah etc properly from those who know and from learned and reliable teachers and not let yourself be misled by learning by yourself or off the internet and trying to gain knowledge from these big deviants who have been deemed kaafir for their beliefs which are against Islam.

Without the right knowledge we are all vulnerable to being misled and misguided!

May Allah Save Us All From Their evil and Fitna

Wassalam.

 

[Abdul Qadir]

What are you saying? You have just gone against the consensus of scholars once again but this time you have gone against the consensus of ALL scholars of Islam!

No scholar has disputed the fact that a Muslim women CANNOT marry a non Muslim man. Allah Almighty says, “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al Mushrikun (atheists) till they believe (in Allah Alone)” (Al-Baqarah: 221)
And “And never will Allah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers” (An-Nisaa’: 141)

How can you make what is haraam as halaal? What you have done is a grave error which has taken you out of the fold of Islam!

Do you know the website which you have quoted? Al Mawrid Institute is run by Javed Ahmed Ghamdi who is the head of Al Mawrid Institute Lahore, Renaissance, Understanding Islam, Islamic Issues etc.

This guy and his affiliates are deviants to the extreme of rejecting the Nasoos of the Quran let alone the Hadith. He is a follower of Ghulam Ahmed Parvez who is a well known hadith rejector.

Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, together with his disciples Khalid Zaheer, Moiz Amjad and others is spreading ULTRA-MODERNIST & DANGEROUS ideas in Pakistan through Geo TV and AAJ Tv etc.

His disciple Khalid Zaheer depicts Ghulam Ahmed Ghamidi's Philosphy of Criticizing everything except Quran.

These people just reject Hadith for the sake of it without any reference. Khalid Zaheer categorizes a Saheeh Hadeeth as daeef (weak) and says that its Sanad (chain of narration) is not valid! He has no concept of what Sanad Means and Ilm ur Rijal (to distinguish authentic from unauthentic hadith)

They have also set up various 'institutes' to impart religious education to the masses.

Amongst the dangerous ideas that they believe in and promote are the following:

1. Questioning the validity and authenticity of hadiths, in imitation of goldziher and schacht & other orientalists.

2. Denying in the descent of Sayyidna 'Isa bin Maryam (alayhis salaam).

3. Denying the trial of the Dajjal.

4. Not believing in the following of the 4 Sunni schools of fiqh.

5. Denying the concept of hijab in Islam.

6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible

Apart from this these gentlemen also hold the view that there is no concept of wirtr prayers in Islam.

These people get their support from three four places:

1. The Civil Bureacracy in Pakistan fully supports Ghamidi
2. Ghamidi is on the advisory panel of Qadiyanis led by IA Rehman, Asma Jahangir
3. Military Support from the existing president, Ghamidi is an advisor to President of Pakistan on Islamic Issues
4. The secular, apostate business class. ( I suggest that people take a look at the team members of the Al Mawrid Institute, this who live in Pakistan will know how much Islamic are the Team Members of Al Mawrid

He makes regular apprearances on GEO TV in Pakistan. Ghamidi has special interest in the Qadinyanis who are Kaafirs who claim that Ghulam Mirza Qaadiyani was a Prophet After Muhammed (Pbuh) and much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles.

Urdu Works of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

1- Al Bayan
2. Al Mizan
3. Burhan (Criticism on Imams, Ijtihad, Ulema and Ahadith)
4. Ikhlaqiat etc.

Which are all complete mockerys of Islam.

At present he is being fully supported by the Qadiyani Lobby against the Hudood Ordinance. The next target given to GEO and Ghamidi is surely to fight against the 295-C Blasphemy Law, to accomodate Qadiyanis.

Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source.

He goes on to say that some Ahadith have been misinterpreted by ALL (yes ALL) the Imams, Mufasirs, Muhaditheen, Fuqah, Ulemas of 1500 years.

Ghamidi and his disciples also use the word Quran and Sunnah and separate Hadith from Sunnah.

Ghamadi enjoys special company with the enemies of Islam Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes.

And Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz and his adherents (Parvezi's) - the Ulema(scholars) have declared them as Kafirs(disbelievers), on the basis of being rejectors of hadith.

My sister first you quote from a website which claims that Rasulallah (Pbuh) can hear us where ever we are and now you are quoting from the biggest shaythans in Pakistan claiming that Muslim women are allowed to marry non Muslim men which again has gone against the teachings of the Qur'an and sunnah and you are quoting from people who reject hadith altogether.

The consensus of the scholars have deemed these people kaafir and apostates for they reject hadith and they have made their own translation of the Qur'an which contradicts that of the sahaba, salaf us saaliheen, and all the mufasireen and greatest scholars of 1500 years.

Their aim is to create a modernist Islam and rid Islam of hadith and most fundamental aspects of Islam.

My sister I urge you to get yourself into Islamic sisters classes and learning about Islam,fiqh,tafsir,seerah etc properly from those who know and from learned and reliable teachers and not let yourself be misled by learning by yourself or off the internet and trying to gain knowledge from these big deviants who have been deemed kaafir for their beliefs which are against Islam.

Without the right knowledge we are all vulnerable to being misled and misguided!

May Allah Save Us All From Their evil and Fitna

Wassalam.

Thanks brother Hamza...I hope sister sameera is more clear now as to y i couldn't agree with her...=)..Jazakumullahu Khair...

 

[Sameera]

Re; Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source.

Brother no one is perfect. They do quote the hadiths, obviously we know the hadiths are not above the Quran. Halal and Haram, what is strictly prohibited are only from the source Quran and not just hadith. Although the hadiths give us insight, they are not in comparison to the Quran, as only the Quran is Allah's word, Insha Allah read the links I have given you carefully when you get the time.

Ws

 

[kidcanman]

may allah bless you abdul.

but with all due respect i find your behavior inappropiate in light of quranic teachings and the example of the prophet.

one of the biggest problems with many religious people (and i consider myself to be one)
is that they feel like if somebody is commiting a sin then they must either change the person's behavior (by force if need be) or DISSOCIATE themselves from that person

the prophet was not as harsh as we are in his treatment of sinful people. even kufar. especially family. i never read that he gave people altimatums to either stop sinning or get out of his house or his life. rather he admonished kindly and turned to allah with patience. and some prophets lived with sinful people for many years and did not treat them unkindly.

futhermore it pained the prophet to have to carry out religious obligations when the re**** was hurting somebody; kufar or not.

you have to love your sister and be kind to her and cordial to her husband no matter what!!!
that is sunnah and if you dont follow it then shame on you.

and also if you dont like what is going on then how about you leave. and if you do then you are still obligated to treat your sister and her husband with kindness.

 

[Muslim Woman]

:wa:

Salams,

Moderators deleted a post of mine

It's very common here ; moderators are deleting our posts 24/7 :hmm:

sis , I did not visit ur link. Can u tell me if Prophet pbuh ever allowed
any Muslimah to marry any Jew or Christian man ?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Re; Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source.

Brother no one is perfect. They do quote the hadiths, obviously we know the hadiths are not above the Quran. Halal and Haram, what is strictly prohibited are only from the source Quran and not just hadith. Although the hadiths give us insight, they are not in comparison to the Quran, as only the Quran is Allah's word, Insha Allah read the links I have given you carefully when you get the time.

Ws

You say no one is perfect yet you quote from a deviant who has been deemed a kaafir because he has gone against the very teachings of the Qur'an, sunnah , Rasulallah (Pbuh), all the sahaba, all the salaf us saaliheen and 1500 years of the greatest scholars and all scholars of Islam aswell as the teachings of the whole of Islam and you say he is not perfect?

I am very well aware of the teachings of this deviant who is trying to brain wash those who have little knowledge of Islam into his own false and evil ideology.

He has rejected and questioned the validity and authenticity of hadith without even knowing how they are authenticated in the first place. The authentication of hadith has been SO SO rigorous for 1500 years now by thousands upon thousands of scholars so who is he to question the validity of that which he has no knowledge of?

He rejects and denies the descent of Isa (alayhis salaam). He denies the trial of the Dajjal and rejects the following of the four imams and 4 schools of fiqh. He rejects the concept of hijaab and deems ALL music and dancing permissable and rejects witr prayers and countless other things.

Reading all of this do you conform to his beliefs and teachings?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

:wa:




It's very common here ; moderators are deleting our posts 24/7 :hmm:

sis , I did not visit ur link. Can u tell me if Prophet pbuh ever allowed
any Muslimah to marry any Jew or Christian man ?

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, i myself requested that the moderators delete her misleading post which quoted the website of the deviant "Javed Ahmed Ghamidi" who has gone against the very teachings of Islam and if you read my post carefully you will see why.

My sister the Qur'an and Rasulallah (Pbuh) have explicitly forbidden the marriage of a Muslim women to a non Muslim man. There is ONLY proof against this not for it. The group she referred to are the biggest kaafirs in Pakistan and enemies of Islam. Once you have looked into them propperly you will realise why.