Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

[Roasted Cashew]

nor can you actually substantiate your claims against them.

I would like to contest that...I certainly can if by them you mean those who transgress.

Oh in what way?

in assuming that everyone conspires against us (MUSLIMS) because of our religion..

in what way, I was born and raised in the west so your statement is nothing more than ping pong with no substance

I knew I was bad at ping pong yet, tried my luck without actually refuting your statement. I was born in Pakistan and raised both in Pakistan and Malaysia. Both are predominantly Muslim countries and majority of the society holds views similar to yours. So your accusation has no substance either.

You're not very good at it that's why.

Give me time. I am learning from the best..

roasting more like ..

Was already roasted when I arrived...

 

[Perseveranze]

Absolutly clueless.

Most villagers prefer the Taliban over the government and heavily support it (trust me, without that, Taliban wouldn't survive and gain the upper hand like it has been doing lately).

Alot of this is propoganda etc. It's always either the western media, or Christian Afghans who make this stuff up.

1. They don't target civilians.

2. They don't burn schools

3. They aren't against women working or getting an education.

 

[جوري]

I would like to contest that...I certainly can if by them you mean those who transgress.

I think br. Perseverance summed it best.. I can already find articles as we write this against the taliban it is called warfare.. and you're exactly the type of vessel it is aimed for.

in assuming that everyone conspires against us (MUSLIMS) because of our religion..

This is a load meaningless verbiage as stated you don't know enough to engage in this topic and I am tired of the circuitous drivel.

I knew I was bad at ping pong yet, tried my luck without actually refuting your statement. I was born in Pakistan and raised both in Pakistan and Malaysia. Both are predominantly Muslim countries and majority of the society holds views similar to yours. So your accusation has no substance either.

My statement wasn't alleging where you were born rather that you're a product of your society. I on the other hand have traveled all over, lived a substantial portion of my life in the west and yet am not a product of their making I am actually capable of a an abstract thought I am yet to see you do that.. Really bring an article and dissect it. You miss even the point of the article sr. Insaanah posted which is sad.

Give me time. I am learning from the best..

fair enough

Was already roasted when I arrived...

 

[Roasted Cashew]

heavily support it (trust me, without that, Taliban wouldn't survive and gain the upper hand like it has been doing lately).

I trust you. But how many of them support out of fear? Or have you personally surveyed everyone of them.

1. They don't target civilians.

2. They don't burn schools

3. They aren't against women working or getting an education.

Where are these noble and honourable Taliban hiding? Taliban has got many factions with some even without particular distinguishable names. Not all of them are the same. I am sure you already know that and purposely ignored that fact.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

warfare

both sides are on war. both sides produce propaganda.

I am tired of the circuitous drivel.

So am I.

rather that you're a product of your society.

I think that is exactly what I refuted. Read again.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

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Bad tanning session, that's all.

 

[جوري]

both sides are on war. both sides produce propaganda.

Correction, neither Afghanistan nor neighboring countries actually declared war on the west. They were sitting in their land the land they inhabited for millenniums and intruders came in.. every single time they come with greed... Please read before you write .. just even basic things, because you're starting to make me annoyed and I so don't want to be annoyed.

So am I.

But you perpetuate it how can you be tired of it and doing it at the same time? You seem confused on top of other things.

I think that is exactly what I refuted. Read again.

You refuted nothing.. your understanding of things is very superficial it makes this whole discussion moot.

Bad tanning session, that's all.

she loves it and apparently you love it too!

best,

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Correction, neither Afghanistan nor neighboring countries actually declared war on the west.

Indeed, but Afghanistan(Taliban) harbored a man who publicly in his interview declared a war on the west or was it specifically America. I can't seem to recall. But he did.

Added:

It doesn't matter anyway. Now, both are fighting each other. That's what matters - in terms of producing propaganda.

 

[جوري]

Indeed, but Afghanistan(Taliban) harbored a man who publicly in his interview declared a war on the west or was it specifically America. I can't seem to recall. But he did.

you mean him?

oh yeah God those demands he made, those words he uttered... So much for freedom of speech!
anyhow he has gone to his lord. Why are they still droning and torching kids in the night?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

you mean him?

Yup. That is him.

 

[جوري]

Yup. That is him.

neither his demands if you bothered watch the interview nor his presence or non-presence have anything to do with the rabies that infested the west to put their tentacles all over the region.
You want to be in love with the rabid ones and hateful toward the Taliban and other Muslims then please do so on your private time, but when I see it posted here then ready yourself for what comes your way..

best,

 

[Roasted Cashew]

neither his demands if you bothered watch the interview nor his presence or non-presence have anything to do with the rabies that infested the west to put their tentacles all over the region.

It has something to do with 9/11...

You want to be in love with the rabid ones and hateful toward the Taliban and other Muslims

Neither I am in in love with rabid ones, nor do i revere the transgressors. Salam.

 

[جوري]

It has something to do with 9/11...

Even if I accept the faulty premise which includes such things as invincible passports and wtc 7 your pals in the west bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan first killing civilians plus countless other heinous crimes of huge magnitude & civilian casualties also ALL listed here on the forum..Do you read at all? or just sit there like an empty vessel in front of corporate news all the time?

Neither I am in in love with rabid ones, nor do i revere the transgressors. Salam.

Apparently you do!!

wa3lykoum

 

[جوري]

.for your viewing pleasure:

• Libya 1982 - USA shoots down 2 Libyan jets.
• Lebanon 1982-84 - US bombs and shells Muslim positions, expels PLO from territory.
• Iraq 1987-88 - US supports and arms Saddam Hussein's Iraq in war against Iran.
• Iran 1988 - US shoots down Iranian passenger airliner, killing 290 civilians. Claims it was an "accident".
• Libya 1989 - US bombs capitol Tripoli killing 55 civilians. Calls it "collateral damage".
• Kuwait 1991 - US invades Middle East, contradicting its position by intervening in inter-Arab affairs. Returns Kuwaiti Monarchy accused of human right abuses to throne.
• Iraq 1990 - today - US randomly bombs civilian areas. Blockades Iraqi ports, allows no humanitarian or medical aid. est. 10,000 Iraqi's starve/die monthly as result.
• Somalia 1992-94 - US sends in humanitarian aid. Becomes involved in Civil war, takes sides at
• Bosnia 1993 - US naval blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
• Sudan 1998 - US bombs Aspirin Factory in Khartoum killing civilians.
• Afghanistan 1998 - US missiles kill 28 civilians
• Afghanistan 2001 - ?

this is by the way a very dated list but you should familiarize yourself with some basic history, perhaps then you can understand why all the animosity exists, with people who are doing nothing more than defending their land, their homes and their freedoms..

 

[Abz2000]

maybe laura and glo can understand something from this, and cashew can reflect on his allegiances:

1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away,
none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

3But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the wh0re

4Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

5Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
Isaiah 57


and cashew, u seem to enjoy repeating the same drivel over and over even after being refuted.
i mentioned before that this is a war against Islam, and the only reason for pretending that it's "just for oil" / only against "fundamentalists", is a ploy to keep the rest of the ummah and the world at large divided, considering it an issue unrelated to themselves.
they have made it clear that their fear is Islam, and have even written PUBLISHED memos on how to stem the tide of the coming Caliphate - and even how to prevent it.
Any Muslim worth his salt knows that Islamic government for Muslims is a core principle of Islam, and without it there is no Ummah.
please don't keep repeating the lie that "we are paranoid for believing that this is a conspiracy against Islam", or implying that it's just the oil of some Iraqis to whom were unrelated in terms of geographic nearness and nationality.

 

[LauraS]

Your comment speaks of your experience directly with Afghans, I am still waiting for that or that of afghans living there daily whom your surveyed. Not some screen name on a forum!
until you deliver on that I suggest you not waste my time!

best,

My comment never spoke of experience with Afghan people, aside from the member of this forum. You are confused as to what I meant.

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Abz- Are you suggesting this member was simply a liar and those Afghani people that set up those charities? What proof would be good enough? Yet on this forum an unspecified source spoke of a rumour that American soldiers had raped a truck full of women and it was instantly believed. Can't you see the hypocrisy? If an Afghani person had joined the forum with good things to say about the Taliban, would you have believed him then?

I am western I can see we're not all angels and western soliders have committed atrocities, but it seems few Muslim members can even entertain the idea that the Taliban are anything but good men.


I can see this thread going the same way as every other about the Taliban. :heated:


I know this is the guardian so you'll dismiss it straight away but still, have a read about the acid attacks:
Out of interest, if you don't believe the Taliban carry out these attacks, who do you think does?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

How do you feel about the acid attacks in the U.S.. who do you think carries those out?

So you answer her question with quoting a story of an acid attack in the US? So are you saying it happens in the US, so what if it happens here as well. You are good in evading questions. The topic of the thread is TALIBAN, not the US. So what she asked is totally appropriate..and have you compared the number of such cases in the US and Afghanistan/Pakistan??

 

[Abz2000]

this thread is soooo dumb,
you don't go to the oppressed and ask about his tolerance,
and you don't go to the sheep and ask him why he hates the wolf, and if he's got hatred in him, or whether he's racist or narrow minded.
it just doesn't wash,
heres sumthing for ya cashew:

 

[جوري]

So you answer her question with quoting a story of an acid attack in the US? So are you saying it happens in the US, so what if it happens here as well. You are good in evading questions. The topic of the thread is TALIBAN, not the US. So what she asked is totally appropriate..and have you compared the number of such cases in the US and Afghanistan/Pakistan??

what I am saying is quit with the outpouring of phony sympathy and concern. You don't know the story and the job of a newspaper is to transmit news not propogate no-orientalism along with active creation, shaping, and manufacturing, through a lengthy process of selection, filtering, interpretation, and editing as is done with one purpose in mind. Why is her ladyship not outraged by acid attacks in the west. I don't even see them getting an honorable mention. But you're all such experts on the Taliban? How about you cut the crap?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Awesome video...just favorite it on YouTube. She mentions that this is war for economic gain. They are after our resources and want to have a grip on strategic locations for economic gains for certain companies. Nowhere in her speech she says this is a war against Islam. ^o)