Long time Catholic in love with a Muslim

[YusufNoor]

Well, at least you're consistent, I'd have to grant you that.



Do you think stating the truth entitles you to be rude?

the brother is 58, i was direct with him. i see nothing rude at all in my statement.

HOWEVER, it DOES bother me that you think it was rude. and you are correct, we should not be rude.

i thought that treating him like a teenager would be rude. those of us that are older are much closer to our own personal qiyama, so wasting time seems a bit ridiculous. some of you obviously feel different. i'll mull this in my brain for a bit...

 

[Timothy]

Well, at least you're consistent, I'd have to grant you that.



Do you think stating the truth entitles you to be rude?

No you are rude. You were rude and disrespectfully to your mother as well. If you can be rude to your mother you can be rude to Allah and everyone else. That doesn't make you a good Muslim just because you can mouth the words. You have to show it in your actions. I'm sure this is not the first time you were told this. You keep saying these things about yourself as you asked "about the slits in your eyes."

 

[YusufNoor]

No you are rude. You were rude and disrespectfully to your mother as well. If you can be rude to your mother you can be rude to Allah and everyone else. That doesn't make you a good Muslim just because you can mouth the words. You have to show it in your actions. I'm sure this is not the first time you were told this. You keep saying these things about yourself as you asked "about the slits in your eyes."

i'm guessing that you meant that for me and not the poor brother that you quoted. i'm also, at this point, guessing that you have ulterior motives here.

IF you sincerely feel that i was being rude, i do apologize. as for my mother, well, it would be rude, and immoral, NOT to discuss Tawheed with her. in fact, it is the most important thing to discuss with her. her and i shall be dead soon, it will be too late then.

i notice you talk a lot about "free thinking", yet you don't want to talk about monotheism. let me know when you expand your definition of free thinking to include a discussion on true monotheism. if you are the least bit curious about it, i posed some questions for you to consider while you are busy "free thinking".

in the mean time, you have a pleasant day!

peace

 

[Futuwwa]

Uh, what? ^o)

 

[Pygoscelis]

Authoritarianism and the appeal to tradition is the enemy of all truth, liberty and reason. It's the biggest hurdle that every single prophet faced, time and again: "We follow the way our fathers did, now get out of town!"

This is the most refreshing thing I have ever read on this board.

THUMBS WAY UP!

 

[tearose]

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The way they see things doesn't change the rulings. There are some cases where there are legitimate differences of opinion. This isn't one of them.

 

[glo]

I am a 58 year old man in the Washington DC area. Father of Irish descent and mother of Spanish descent. I grew up Catholic, socially liberal, went to Catholic schools, college educated, professional, ran my own business, married, divorced, adult children, taught religious sunday school for over 12 years, studied and read a lot of theology books and authors, and have been a good Christian for nearly 40 years. I've had enough of the hypocritical and intolerance of so-called good religious people. Oh and I'm I'm love with a practicing Muslim woman. I know the rules about that muslim men vs. muslim women, which i understand is one of those cultural Rules that give rights to men but not to women. The answers I've heard may apply to young families, but do not make sense to couples who are not raising children. Even the Catholic Church allows for interfaith marriages as long as the couple goes through education classes to be sure they have a solid understanding of the differences. Besides i only worship one God. That's it. It's in our Creed. One of the things I'm most impressed with is the reverence she has for her faith. It's very similar to my upbringing. I'm fascinated by the discussions I've read so far and want to talk to my Catholic and Muslim brothers and sisters here.

Welcome to the forum, Timothy.

You might find this article helpful.
And this support group.

Peace.

 

[YusufNoor]

looks at Pygo's post...

bangs head against the wall

and again...

you never cease to amaze me, but this really takes the cake!

of course, as i've stated before, my opinion is that there is no such thing as an atheist; a really radical agnostic maybe...and THOSE you will find in every religion as well.

i'm sure that you realize that, in Islam, it is not acceptable for you 2 to date or marry. but i feel "tempted" to ask, "you don't think that the girl and her family are nutjobs simply by being Muslim?" wouldn't the idea of her worshiping or mostly-worshiping God repulse an (alleged) atheist?

or am i biased by what i see about (alleged) atheists in the media? the obviously believe in God, they just hate Him.

*start a thread*
*start a thread*
*start a thread*

 

[YusufNoor]

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my dear respected brother, it is not our forgiveness that the sister needs. only Allah's. we should advise and make dua for her, though maybe not in that order.

"We follow the way our fathers did, now get out of town!"

that quote seems to isolate the problem. people only know what they are taught. perhaps this is why we ask "ihdinas siratul mustaqeen" in al Fatihah; guide US to the straight way.

Mufti Menk has a great quote, "do not think you are better that the drunk Muslim just outside the Masjid. even if you pray in the 1st row everyday, he may have 1 good deed that surpasses all of yours. and the second that you begin to think that you are better than him, you have fallen into shaytan's trap"

i'm not accusing you, btw, i just see the value in what the Mufti says. i am also shocked by what some Muslims write here, but you can see that what i write also shocks them.

it is never the person we should doubt, just what they were taught. we hate the sin and not the sinner. once a person declares their Islam, they are to be considered a believer. that despite what you may see "born Muslims" write in another thread.

we are to make excuses for our brother, you know, unless they are reverts! ^o) j/k (mostly):embarrass

unless a "born Muslim" has also reverted to Islam, they may write some pretty goofy stuff!

so, in the end, i recommend that you take pity on them and make dua for them and yourself, and me too!

and a great dua is, "ihdinas siratul mustaqeen"!

may Alla guide us all to the straight way!

and Allahu Alam

ma salaama

 

[IAmZamzam]

I happen to know a thing or two about how we're supposed to treat our brothers in the faith, Abu. I've reported your post.

"Remember when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel that 'You...speak kindly to people'...Then you turned away." (Qur'an 2:83, Khalidi) Are you going to turn away from Allah's command as well?

 

[Timothy]

I happen to know a thing or two about how we're supposed to treat our brothers in the faith, Abu. I've reported your post.

"Remember when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel that 'You...speak kindly to people'...Then you turned away." (Qur'an 2:83, Khalidi) Are you going to turn away from Allah's command as well?

Thank you. As Christians, we are suppose to "love one another, as God has loved us."
I did want to say something to dispel any misperceptions about Catholic official position: the Catholic Church holds Muslims a "first place ... profess to hold the faith of Abraham..."

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]