Malaysian row over word for 'God'

[Uthman]

Should the Non-Muslims be subjected under Hudood Laws?

I think that question should be questioned. I don't see why it has been asked when Non-Muslims are not meant to be subjected to these laws anyway.

 

[Cognescenti]

Under the Federal Constitution, there would be no such thing as "Malay Christian" as a "Malay" must be a Muslim. If a Malay ceased to be a Muslim, he would no longer be a "Malay" and lost his special rights as a Malay.

The reasons why Malay Language is used in the churches:

1) Most of the younger generation of non-Muslim natives of Borneo (ie. Iban, Kadazan, Murut, Kelabit, Dusun etc) speak Malay Language as first language.

2) The Christian Aborigines of Peninsula Malaysia could only read the Bible in Malay Language as their native languages have no writing systems and Malay Language is the only foreign language they knew.

3) The Christian Indonesian immigrants could only understand Malay Language as there are no Indonesian Language churches in Malaysia.

Wow! Let me see if I understand. So if a Malay (who is by Constitutional definition Muslim), decides to "unrevert" and become a Christian, not only is he likely guilty of aposty (so something really bad might happen to him) but he would also legally cease to be from the same ethnic group to which his very genetic make-up arose. :uuh: That is some pretty heavy duty racial/ethnic politcs you guys have going in Malaysia.

As for the "Christian Aborigines of Peninsula Malaysia" are you saying then that there were Christians on the Malayan Penisula before ethnic Malay arrived?????? I find that amazing.

This phrase is interesting too..."special rights as a Malay". What are those?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Those laws are meant for Muslims only. For non-Muslims they should only follow our Common Laws.

Not quite true. For example: One law was that during fasting hours a person could not sell food or drink to a Muslim during Ramadan. How am I, a shop keeper, to know that this person is or is not a Muslim? That law impacts me, a non-Muslim.

 

[north_malaysian]

Not quite true. For example: One law was that during fasting hours a person could not sell food or drink to a Muslim during Ramadan. How am I, a shop keeper, to know that this person is or is not a Muslim? That law impacts me, a non-Muslim.

Not selling food or drink to a Muslim rule are enforced on Muslim food sellers..like hawkers or restaurant owners.

If a Malay eat in the public area in a place owned by a Non-Muslim. They would only catch this person not the owner.

SYARIAH CRIMINAL OFFENCES (FEDERAL TERRITORIES) ACT 1997

Section 1 - Short title, commencement and application.

(2) This Act shall apply only:-

(a) to the Federal Territories and Labuan; and

(b) to persons professing the religion of ISLAM.

 

[north_malaysian]

Wow! Let me see if I understand. So if a Malay (who is by Constitutional definition Muslim), decides to "unrevert" and become a Christian, not only is he likely guilty of aposty (so something really bad might happen to him) but he would also legally cease to be from the same ethnic group to which his very genetic make-up arose. :uuh: That is some pretty heavy duty racial/ethnic politcs you guys have going in Malaysia.

It's true. But we dont kill apostates in Malaysia.

As for the "Christian Aborigines of Peninsula Malaysia" are you saying then that there were Christians on the Malayan Penisula before ethnic Malay arrived?????? I find that amazing.

There are around 100,000 Aborigines in Malayan Peninsula and they have been practising Paganism before the arrival of Islam. Meanwhile, the Malays were Buddhist or Hindus before Islam was spread in the Malay Archipelago by Muslim traders from Arabia, India and China.

The Malays never enforced the Aborigines to be Muslims until now. Through missionaries especially PERKIM, today 1/3 of the Aborigines embraced Islam. Later on, the Christian missionaries came and managed to convert some of them. I've visited a family of Muslim missionary house deep inside the jungle of Pahang which involve in Islamizing the Aborigines. They provide food, clothes and education. They live with the Aborigines. And the Aborigines love them.

This phrase is interesting too..."special rights as a Malay". What are those?

Special rights of the Malays:

1) Monarchy power
2) Only Malays could live, buy, rent and develop Malay Reserved Lands.
3) Malays got discount price when buying homes.
4) Malays got discount price when buying shares.
5) There is a quota reserved for Malay students in Public Universities.

and more...

 

[ricardo_sousa]

I've visited a family of Muslim missionary house deep inside the jungle of Pahang which involve in Islamizing the Aborigines. They provide food, clothes and education. They live with the Aborigines. And the Aborigines love them.

lol, talking about how bad were Christian missionaries in India for giving money to "hungry people".. Missionaries, despite their religion, all use the same strategy.

 

[ricardo_sousa]

Wow! Let me see if I understand. So if a Malay (who is by Constitutional definition Muslim), decides to "unrevert" and become a Christian, not only is he likely guilty of aposty (so something really bad might happen to him) but he would also legally cease to be from the same ethnic group to which his very genetic make-up arose. :uuh: That is some pretty heavy duty racial/ethnic politcs you guys have going in Malaysia.

Actually, I have met trough an international forum, nothing related with religion, a Malaysian. And when we were talking about the governments and the differences between our countries, he pointed that he had in his ID card his religion (Islam), but that he was an atheist. He said that he wouldn´t change because that were very troubling. Now I see why....

These kind of system only brings more hypocrisy to society and nation.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

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