Maliki position on 2D images

[Scimitar]

This OP made me smile a little - the whole 2D and 3D thing is laughable, simply because according to Islamic scholars and the old books, the first image makers - made statues - which were worshipped... and guess that? those weren't 2 dimensional.

Bottom line is - the making of images is ok as long as it's done for educational purposes and not for other (emotional) reasons - as that can (and does) lead to shirk.

Scimi

 

[Kiro]

Re: For those who permit images

There were no 3D drawings in Prophet's (saw) time when he said it's forbidden, no angels of mercy enter a house that has it and one who creates it will be asked to give life to that which you created and will be dragged on his face and thrown in hell fire. I don't know who in the maliki school came up with that ruling but imam malik himself would beg to differ.

The ahadith are clear as is the evidence, i'll leave it at that...

By 3D I mean things like statues and such

 

[Kiro]

I think people are misunderstanding the OP. Probably because they didn't read it. <<< agree @Huzaifah ibn Adam?

The ruling of the Maliki school is that things like cartoon drawings are halal.

Not sure why people are misunderstanding ^o)

 

[Little_Lion]

I think the major part that people are missing (other than the "3D" intended means statues and carvings) is that the Maliki school specifically states that the 2D images are not to be used in such a way as that they are intended for worship; the recommendations being to be hung high on a wall, or someplace they will be trampled. In essence, if I understand it correctly and Allah forgive me if I do not, the Maliki school of thought places a distinct separation between the idols and statues that used to be worshiped, and considers those to still be prohibited, as opposed to photographs, drawings, etc. that were never intended to be worshiped and never considered to have "life" like people used to believe idols did.

 

[IARLG]

Re: For those who permit images

Asalaam alykum Kiro. Our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) came to lighten our burden.

Did you know from Musa...Dawud..Sulaiman...Iesa; all these Prophets and in between followed the Taurat in which there was this law:

“You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. (Exodus 20:4) {New Living Translation**

Now, i am not going to give any rulings but please read what our Prophet says in the following hadiths while keeping in mind the following two Ayats

O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad

), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (

), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. (Qur'an 4:59)

But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad

) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. (Qur'an 4:65)

Allah in (Qur'an 4:59) instructed us to refer to Allah (the Quran) and His Messenger (Prophet Muhammad SAW) if we disagree. Instead of what the forum allows, how about looking on the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) are as follows? Please i mean no harm. I just wish well for you as a fellow Muslim brother.:

Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan: While I was with Ibn ‘Abbas a man came and said, “O father of ‘Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures.” Ibn ‘Abbas said, “I will tell you only what I heard from Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him). I heard him saying, ‘Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.’ “Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn ‘Abbas said to him, “What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects.” [Bukhari 3:428]
Narrated ‘A’ishah: I stuffed for the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) a pillow decorated with pictures (of animals) which looked like a Namruqah (i.e. a small cushion). He came and stood among the people with excitement apparent on his face. I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is wrong?” He said, “What is this pillow?” I said, “I have prepared this pillow for you, so that you may recline on it.” He said, “Don’t you know that angels do not enter a house wherein there are pictures; and whoever makes a picture will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and will be asked to give life to (what he has created)?” [Bukhari 4:47]
Narrated Abu Talhah: I heard Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him) saying; “Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal).” [Bukhari 4:448]
Narrated Ibn Abbas: Abu Talhah, a companion of Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him) and one of those who fought at Badr together with Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him) told me that Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him) said. “Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.” He meant the images of creatures that have souls. [Bukhari 5:338]
Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib: Abul Hayyaj al-Asadi told that Ali ibn Abu Talib said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah’s Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without leveling it. This Hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (do not leave) a picture without obliterating it. [Muslim]
Narrated Maimunah: One morning Allah’s Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) was silent with grief. Maimunah said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah’s Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens). [Muslim]
Narrated ‘A’ishah: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him), and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle (Peace and blessings be upon him) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘A’ishah at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fatih-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) [Bukhari 8:151]
Narrated A’ishah: When the Apostle of Allah (Peace and blessings be upon him) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (Peace and blessings be upon him) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth. [Abu Dawud]
Narrated A’ishah: When the Prophet became ill, some of his wives talked about a church which they had seen in Ethiopia and it was called Maria. Um Salma and Um Habibah had been to Ethiopia, and both of them narrated its (the Church’s) beauty and the pictures it contained. The Prophet raised his head and said, “Those are the people who, whenever a pious man dies amongst them, make a place of worship at his grave and then they make those pictures in it. Those are the worst creatures in the Sight of Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari 2.425]
“On the Day of Resurrection a neck will stretch forth from Hell; it will have two eyes to see, two ears to hear, and a tongue to speak. It will say, “I have been appointed to take care of three types of people: every arrogant tyrant, every person who called on some deity other than Allah and those who made pictures” [At-Tirmidthi stated that this Hadith was Sahih – At-Takhwif Min An-Nar, p.179, See also Jami’ al-Usul, 10/518, the editor said its Isnad is Hasan]
The Prophet entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in the house. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain and tore it into pieces. The Prophet said, “Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection.”[Narrated Aisha; Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 130; Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab)]
It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur’an) to you (Muhammad {S.A.W**) with truth, confirming what came before it. And He sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), Aforetime as a guidance to mankind. And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Qur’an)]. Truly, those who disbelieve in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, for them there is a severe torment; and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Able of Retribution. (Qur’an 3:3-4)

 

[Kiro]

Please don't direct your refutation towards me. Because I didn't make this position. I was just merely sharing the Maliki position on things such as cartoons.