Marijuana, Islam, and My Life...

[Woodrow]

it will lead to pyschosis, ive seen it many a time

True, it is the primary if not the only cause of chemically induced schizophrenia. Which is permanent and essentially not treatable. I fail to understand why a reasonably sane person would desire insanity and the loss of free will that accompanies it.

 

[samzee]

I think it is physically harmful , mentally destabilizing and it drags u away from urself to the point that u r not urself. It is good that u have turned towards allah and have become more creative. why don't u try to leave this habit and let allah guide u . and practice creativity by taking part in more creative activities. Why give control to an entity when u can be in charge of ur life with allah's blessings.

 

[14yearold]

Salaam Brothers and Sisters!

So I am new to these forums, and I consider myself to be a pretty good Muslim in most cases (but who is to judge that but Allah), but I have found myself falling into a habit that is regarded as haram in our religion.

Of course, this habit I am talking about is Marijuana. I have read many reasons as to why marijuana is haram in Islam, but I feel as if people are misguided on the drug. I am not encouraging the drug, but instead I am trying to gain knowledge, and persuasion in a way to get me out of this habit.

Firstly, I don't smoke much, probably once every weekend, sometimes only 2 times a month. I never saw the harm in smoking Marijuana and I still do not, but I don't want to be committing a sin, I do believe in Allah and the Quran.

Now this is what I don't understand, in the Quran it says that we are not allowed to consume anything that intoxicates our mind. Alcohol is a clear indicator of intoxicating the mind, but Marijuana has a completely different effect. I feel more creative, more open, accepting of life, etc. Before I started smoking, I wasn't really close to Allah, but as I started smoking more and more I felt His presence around me and I noticed myself becoming a better person overall.

I started to listen to my mom, started praying 4-5 times a day opposed to 0, I stopped being lazy and made more of my life. I started researching Islam and have bettered myself to what the Quran says. I'll be honest, I had a gf before I started smoking, once I started smoking I broke it off with her, I didn't want the sin of any act before marriage on my conscious or to be showed on the Day of Judgement.

Now, I hear everyone saying that Marijuana is haram... why? It's made my life (obviously it was the will of Allah to improve my life) so much better! I feel so much better about myself, and even my family says that I have become a better person. (They have no idea I smoke)

Why is it that this drug, that seems to enhance my mind and life, get such a bad rep in our religion? It doesn't make sense!!!

Im telling you how it is right now: If Islam wasnt the Truth/The message we as humans were naturally inclined to rebel/fight for, then it would've been/is weed.
Weed is the Center of Spirituality As Is Islam in Religion. Being a teenage Muslim I was obviously exposed to marijuana but I never did it and in-fact stopped others from smoking Marijuana saying things like its a gateway drug or it causes you to get dependant on it haha, the usual. So for the most time I was around it allot but Never once did I bother trying cuz I didnt know who to believe. The adults who don't remember how to pray or the "ignorant" kids.

Do not make the mistake I made. I had to fight and Im still fighting for my right to utilize marijuana. Marijuana doesn't kill at all, in fact it cures. Name me a disease and Ill name you a strain that cures yes CURES.

Would you ask a Christian Priest about the Laws pertaining to Jihad? Of course Not.

If you have any mary jane questions ask up ; D.

P.S
I am not 14 anymore, i made this acount when I left out into the world to discover the truth and I found Islam. I was 14 then ^_^

 

[14yearold]

True, it is the primary if not the only cause of chemically induced schizophrenia. Which is permanent and essentially not treatable. I fail to understand why a reasonably sane person would desire insanity and the loss of free will that accompanies it.

A Slandering Muslim. Haha Tsk tsk just goes to show the world we live in today. I dont care whether youre slandering intentionally or unentionally but whhichever one it is, you have no right to do so.

schizophrenia? you mean the BBC "Documentary" on weed where they had people talk about how Weed gave them shizophrenia? Those people's parents/grandparents had the disease before them, whether they smoked or not, getting the disease was innevitable. It was genetics, not from the actual Plant itself.

Secondly, when you get high you dont hallucinate let alone go schizo. If thats what weed does to people then half of the population should be dead/crazy now.

Before you try propogating false information on Weed how about you go ask your local weed dispensary on a strain for schizo in case you or anyone you know who's smoking weed has gone Insane. And I know for a fact at least one member in your family smokes weed whether you know it or not.

 

[Dagless]

schizophrenia? you mean the BBC "Documentary" on weed where they had people talk about how Weed gave them shizophrenia? Those people's parents/grandparents had the disease before them, whether they smoked or not, getting the disease was innevitable. It was genetics, not from the actual Plant itself.

I don't think that has ever been proven. Even if we say it is genetics and some people are predisposed to certain mental illnesses then you can say weed triggered those illnesses. Since you don't know your genetic make-up why bother risking it?

Before you try propogating false information on Weed how about you go ask your local weed dispensary on a strain for schizo in case you or anyone you know who's smoking weed has gone Insane. And I know for a fact at least one member in your family smokes weed whether you know it or not.

They have done tests where completely normal people have been given high amounts of thc. Those people started exhibiting symptoms of psychosis (until it wore off). The strains you smoke now are grown with very high thc content. You won't find stuff like that naturally, it is mostly purpose grown.

The bottom line is that it's haraam. Whether you want to follow that information is up to you. At the end of the day anyone can justify anything to themselves if they want to bad enough.

 

[Alpha Dude]

14yearold, it seems one side-effect of weed is that it makes you rude and immature.

A Slandering Muslim. Haha Tsk tsk just goes to show the world we live in today. I dont care whether youre slandering intentionally or unentionally but whhichever one it is, you have no right to do so.

I suggest you look up what slandering means.

Secondly, when you get high you dont hallucinate let alone go schizo. If thats what weed does to people then half of the population should be dead/crazy now.

What weed can potentially do is give a person the symptoms of schizophrenia, which can go away once the drug wears off. However, if a person is a chronic user, obviously the symptoms are going to stay longer and fester.

Before you try propogating false information on Weed how about you go ask your local weed dispensary on a strain for schizo in case you or anyone you know who's smoking weed has gone Insane. And I know for a fact at least one member in your family smokes weed whether you know it or not.

You could never know this. It seems you're the one who's slandering. Tsk tsk. Just goes to show the world we live in today. I don't care whether you're slandering intentionally or unintentionally but whichever one it is, you have no right to do so(!).

Go do your homework.

 

[al yunan]

Salam to all,

There is one undeniable symptom of weed and that is the smoker thinks he is Plato combined with Shakespeare but in reality he is more like Cheech and Chong

One thing is for sure and that is those two guys the O.P writer and the 14yearold have convinced themselves, who knows maybe the time has come for us to witness the birth of the Rasta Muslims Jamah and the joint al roach Tariqat.

The return of the lost Sufi order of the "assassioun" (for those not familiar the word assassin comes from the word Hashish and the secret order of drug fed hired killers bearing that name)

To those who do not travel much and perhaps think I'm attempting to be comical, these two are not isolated cases only the tip of the iceberg.
Their numbers are growing by the thousands and not because the fad is growing but rather people are not so shy to reveal themselves anymore.

May Allah S.W.T protects us all from the everspreading Fitnah.
Masalam

 

[Ramadhan]

14yearold, it seems one side-effect of weed is that it makes you rude and immature.

I was going to say this.

It seems the effects of weed-smoking has gone to his brain.

No drug user, especially the addicted ones, would ever admit that what they do is wrong and they would always try to find reasons why their habit is superior or at least acceptable. Intoxicants remove our ability to tell what is right and what is wrong and push us further away from our fitrah (pure natural state). Hence Allah in the Qur'an command us to stay away from all intoxicants. They do indeed contain some benefits, but the negative impacts far far outweigh those benefits.

Being a teenage Muslim I was obviously exposed to marijuana

If thats what weed does to people then half of the population should be dead/crazy now.

With statements like these, obviously the THC has fried parts of your brains.

 

[ardianto]

Weed is the Center of Spirituality As Is Islam in Religion.

What spirituality ?. Weed only makes you laugh when you see something that actually not funny, then you enjoy your blank mind.

Do not make the mistake I made. I had to fight and Im still fighting for my right to utilize marijuana. Marijuana doesn't kill at all, in fact it cures. Name me a disease and Ill name you a strain that cures yes CURES.

It doesn't kill your body but kill your mind.

Cures diseases ?. It's better if try to find a better argument. There is no doctor that suggest the patient to smoke weed.

And I know for a fact at least one member in your family smokes weed whether you know it or not.

Another lie. People like always blow up the number of weed user, tell other people that 40-50-80% of youth are weed/drug user. In fact, only in small percentage.


Maybe you can lie to other people but you cannot lie to an ex-weed smoker like me.

 

[14yearold]

I don't think that has ever been proven. Even if we say it is genetics and some people are predisposed to certain mental illnesses then you can say weed triggered those illnesses. Since you don't know your genetic make-up why bother risking it?



They have done tests where completely normal people have been given high amounts of thc. Those people started exhibiting symptoms of psychosis (until it wore off). The strains you smoke now are grown with very high thc content. You won't find stuff like that naturally, it is mostly purpose grown.

The bottom line is that it's haraam. Whether you want to follow that information is up to you. At the end of the day anyone can justify anything to themselves if they want to bad enough.

Okay Haram or not, it has no mental effects at all. You've never smoken weed so you'e never known. Theres allota false propogated information and very biased and even falsified "research" or claims against marijuana floating out there similliarily as there is with the media and Islam. So if you dont know what youre talking about dont make false accusations.

 

[Ramadhan]

it has no mental effects at all.

This is a classic sentence from a drug user who has suffered from delusional effects of heavy drug use.

Read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis
A 2007 study of studies published in the Lancet concluded that cannabis users are 40% more likely to be sufferers of a psychotic illness than non-users.[33] The BEACH[34] study (Bettering the Evaluation and Care of Health) conducted by the Australian General Practice Statistics and Classification Centre, based at the University of Sydney, found that "cannabis smokers are more likely to suffer depression, anxiety and psychosis". The report continues that of the number of patients who mentioned cannabis use to their GP, 48% had a psychological problem, including 19% with depression, 9% with psychosis and 6% had anxiety.[35] However, it was also noted that few cannabis users actually tell their doctors that they use it, which could potentially bias the results of the study. Much of the evidence for a short-lived cannabis psychosis is largely based on case reports where heavy cannabis use has preceded the onset of a psychotic episode, which then remits on abstinence.[36] Depictions of a toxic or acute cannabis psychosis have been reported in a number of countries such as New Zealand,[37] South Africa,[38] Sweden[39] and the UK.[40]

I can give you tons of verifiable published research/studies from reputable institutions about the mental effect of cannabis use.

And this:

A large, unselected population-based study, published in British Journal of Psychiatry (2008), examined cannabis use and prodromal symptoms of psychosis at age 15–16 years and concluded that cannabis use was associated with prodromal symptoms of psychosis in adolescence.[41]

That is your age group, and if I were you, I would lay off weed smoking right now and go to a psychiatrist for check up and treatment.

You've never smoken weed so you'e never known.

This is another classic excuse from an active drug user. How would you know that some people have not smoke weed? Just because some people do not/refuse to reveal their past sins do not mean they don't know first hand what you are claiming to know/experience. Most people here are not 14 or 16 yo, and have life experiences far beyond what you are just starting.

So if you dont know what youre talking about dont make false accusations.

And you know what you are talking about just because you're a 16 yo weed-smoking kid living in guelph, ontario?

 

[Woodrow]

A Slandering Muslim. Haha Tsk tsk just goes to show the world we live in today. I dont care whether youre slandering intentionally or unentionally but whhichever one it is, you have no right to do so.

schizophrenia? you mean the BBC "Documentary" on weed where they had people talk about how Weed gave them shizophrenia? Those people's parents/grandparents had the disease before them, whether they smoked or not, getting the disease was innevitable. It was genetics, not from the actual Plant itself.

Secondly, when you get high you dont hallucinate let alone go schizo. If thats what weed does to people then half of the population should be dead/crazy now.

Before you try propogating false information on Weed how about you go ask your local weed dispensary on a strain for schizo in case you or anyone you know who's smoking weed has gone Insane. And I know for a fact at least one member in your family smokes weed whether you know it or not.

Uh, I'm a retired Psychologist. I am speaking of first hand experience of clients I had. My field of expertise was in physiological psychology and I have often found signs of some cortical damage done in the brains of Marijuana smokers. In a psych hospital I worked at a very large percentage of the teenage patients were chemical induced schizophrenia and in all the cases Marijuana was the common cause. But that was just one hospital, the results may differ in other hospitals.

I suspect I had many members in my family smoke it. It was still legal when my parents were farming and I know it was a major crop my grandfather raised. although it was raised for the fibers to make rope and other products. Marijuana smokers were generaly called rope smokers and considered imbeciles by most people. It was not a recreational drug back then, it was looked upon as a dumb hobo habit, common among winos and street bums. Was a low cost drug then, they would just steal peoples clotheslines and smoke it.

 

[boriqee]

Salaam Brothers and Sisters!

So I am new to these forums, and I consider myself to be a pretty good Muslim in most cases (but who is to judge that but Allah), but I have found myself falling into a habit that is regarded as haram in our religion.

Of course, this habit I am talking about is Marijuana. I have read many reasons as to why marijuana is haram in Islam, but I feel as if people are misguided on the drug. I am not encouraging the drug, but instead I am trying to gain knowledge, and persuasion in a way to get me out of this habit.

Firstly, I don't smoke much, probably once every weekend, sometimes only 2 times a month. I never saw the harm in smoking Marijuana and I still do not, but I don't want to be committing a sin, I do believe in Allah and the Quran.

Now this is what I don't understand, in the Quran it says that we are not allowed to consume anything that intoxicates our mind. Alcohol is a clear indicator of intoxicating the mind, but Marijuana has a completely different effect. I feel more creative, more open, accepting of life, etc. Before I started smoking, I wasn't really close to Allah, but as I started smoking more and more I felt His presence around me and I noticed myself becoming a better person overall.

I started to listen to my mom, started praying 4-5 times a day opposed to 0, I stopped being lazy and made more of my life. I started researching Islam and have bettered myself to what the Quran says. I'll be honest, I had a gf before I started smoking, once I started smoking I broke it off with her, I didn't want the sin of any act before marriage on my conscious or to be showed on the Day of Judgement.

Now, I hear everyone saying that Marijuana is haram... why? It's made my life (obviously it was the will of Allah to improve my life) so much better! I feel so much better about myself, and even my family says that I have become a better person. (They have no idea I smoke)

Why is it that this drug, that seems to enhance my mind and life, get such a bad rep in our religion? It doesn't make sense!!!

Asalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu

My dear brother. Allow me to do what I think no one has done for you.

I think you will find the following response at the very least personally beneficial.

As a former dank smokin, gonja havin, weed sellin guy from the streets and a small and insignificant student in Islam, and a simple researcher of topics, I find myself having to dissect this matter in three categories

These categories are
The Islamic View of Intoxicants
The Nature of Marijuana
The Islamic Concept of Waraa


I would in a nutshell consider the first as the basis in understanding drugs in general, and then I would classify the second in terms of how it really doesn't qualify as an intoxicant per se, and how it differs from other drugs, and then the last of the three is the ultimate conceptualization of the view in its spiritual significance and how one can come out with a personally conclusive and accurate view on the topic.

i say all of this because I myself had to properly understand this topic.

1. The Islamic View of Intoxicants

This topic actually needs no thorough elaboration on it as i believe pretty much everyone understand the concept. However just to reiterate the matter, Islam is of the view that all substances that alter the state of the human mind from its natural state and into a higher state of consciousness is forbidden.

What people fail to grasp and actualize tawheed here is that when there is a command, and the world questions us as to why we do or do not do something. The ULTIMATE and primary reply is because "Allah desired it for me" or "Because Allah said so".

Many of the rulings in Islam do not have a "reason" as to why we were ordered or prohibited from something. And this is where one can delve into the subject of rationality and its role. From the Islamic standpoint, our human intellect is subservient to the textual dictates of the lawmaker (ash-Shaar'i). The opposite of this ideology is the secular liberal ideology of modernity where the textual revelations of the Lawmaker are to be analyzed by the rationale and are given a validation or a rejection by the specific individual in question. The former is the essence of Islam because the basic meaning of Islam comes from "istislaam" which means that we submit our stubborn will to the Will of Allah Subhaanahu. The latter ideology is the exact antithesis of Islam because it entails that the Lawmaker makes istislaam to man and thereby making Allah a muslim to our own desires.

At any rate, our view of the subject should be that if Allah said so, then that is enough for us because Allah classified the believers as being those who when they hear a decision from Allah or His Messenger, their response is "We hear and we obey", and for such people, there is no more discussion.

Secondly, from the wisdoms of Islamic law in the affairs of this world, is that there is no such thing as something that is made haraam to be purely evil or of no benefit. No, rather there is benefit to be found in such things. LIKEWISE, the same is said for its opposite. When Islam mandates something, there is nothing that negates that thing to have any negative aspect to it. The essence of the shariah of Islam is that Islam (as it relates to law) did not come to eradicate all evil or to rid the world of any negativeness. The Islamic belief and spiritual system does that. As for the law itself, what Islam came to do was to MINIMIZE the corruption of this world in its social sphere and to MAXIMIZE the proper behavioral etiquettes as it pertains to societies.

I will give one slight example in order to allow for the readers to envision the matter. For many, the veil for Muslim women is obligatory and this has been the consentual view of the Muslim nation for about 13 centuries. Just for arguments sake, even if the reader is not of the view that it is obligatory, just for arguments sake, let us just say that it is. Let us say that the intent of covering for women in the Qur'an is indeed veiling, which inadvertently happened to be the exact practice of all the muslim women companions of the prophet and not just the prophet's wives.

Now, what we have in certain Muslim countries is that prostitutes use the veil for their prostitution. What would happen is that if the women finds a man that is to her liking, all she does is unveil her face to him and that becomes the signal for the hanky panky.

However, because the law of that country is set up under some form of Islamic legislation either to a larger extent or lesser extent, then the implementation of such vices like these become extremely hard to perform and thus the corruption and vice doesn't become the DNA of that society and the social fabric is not so deteriorated unlike in other muslim countries where the stripping of Islamic law has brought its people almost on par to its secular masters.

Thus the benefit of the covering of women outweighs the minuscule harm that such people may do to abuse such laws. This is because a universla rule of the human experience is that no society will be free of "criminals" i.e. mujrimeen. There will be no age in which any society will not have no criminal. What Islam offers is
1. safety from their harm (which entails the penal code of punishments [hudood])
2. and to reduce their affects on society with the implementation of our law, so that criminal activity becomes extremely hard to perform and likewise halaal activity becomes extremely easy to perform.

unfortunately in modern times, its seems as though the abolishment of the shariah has flipped the world where haraam is as easy as breathing and halaal is not as easy.

At any rate, I mention all of that so as to give us a tool to correctly understand our personal doubts about the nature of some things that are judged as haraam by Muslim scholars. Allah Himself testifies that there is some benefit in khamr (alcohol/intoxicants). The essence of all that I have stated above is based on the following ayaah where Allah said

They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." [2:219]

One of the reasons for Allah highlighting this is so as to kill any persistence that we may come up with regards to ideas and highlighting the benefits of such things. In simpler terms, Allah has virtually refuted the act of people trying to rationalize the acceptability of such things that were declared as haraam as being halaal under the topic of "its benefits.

this lets us as servants of the Lord know that the declaratory nature of Allah's judgment's do not necessarily reside merely on sole benefit or sole harm, but in the weighing between the two as is evidenced in the underlined portion of the ayaah.

2. The Nature of Marijuana

Now this is a subject that i think needs to be studied. In my own personal view, I have found that weed does not have the properties of an "intoxicant". From my own personal experience (of smoking it) and as well as research on the properties of it, I would rather smoke a blunt than a cigarette because the prohibition of the cigarette was based on the fact that it can kill you. Marijuana on the other hand has no harmful effects like cigarettes does. Some medical analysis have found some harmful effects to the brain , but the research is with regards to heavy users. Moreover, it does not alter your state of consciousness like actual intoxicants. My own personal belief is that the subject of marijuana was administered to the research departments of various islamic communities or councils and they have judged the matter on the notions of the society who has had no experience with the plant and their already conceived notions of it. In the end, these societal emotions have placed a stipulation on this plant which inevitably lead to judging the issue based on biased research or views which i feel needs to be looked at again and reviewed.

However with all of that aside, I am not validating anything, I am rather presenting the issue as is, I myself would not revert back to smoking it on the basis that it was proven to be halaal once more which leads me to the next topic

3. The Islamic Concept of Waraa

al-Wara` - means to keep oneself from doubtful matters lest one should indulge in forbidden things unknowingly
[from Ibn Hajar’s Buloogh ul Maraam with notes from Subul us-Salaam by as-San`aanee [publ. by Dar as-Salam]

The feeling of abstinence from committing sins is wara'. It is even beyond the feeling of taqwa; it is avoiding the doubtful all together.

If a person has taqwa, he avoids the unlawful: He does not look at the unlawful, he does not touch the unlawful, he does not eat the unlawful. If a person has wara', he stays away from the doubtful with a fear of committing an offense. He acts very carefully. If a person is not careful, he may slip into the sin that would incur the wrath of Allah. That would be a terrible end for a person.

Some of the Zuhaad (Imaams of Abstension and piety) define wara’ as the conviction of the truth of Islamic tenets, being straightforward in one’s beliefs and acts, being steadfast in observing Islamic commandments, and being very careful in one’s relations with God Almighty. Others define it as not being heedless of God even for the period of the twinkling of an eye, and others as permanently closing them-selves to all that is not Him, as not lowering oneself before anyone except Him (for the fulfillment of one’s needs or other reasons), and as advancing until reaching God without getting stuck with one’s ego, carnal self and desires, and the world.

Wara’ relates to both the inner and outer aspects of a believer’s life and conduct. A traveler on the path of wara’ must have reached the peaks of taqwa; his or her life must reflect a strict observance of the Shari‘a’s commands and prohibitions; his or her actions must be for the sake of God; his or her heart and feelings must be purged of whatever is other than God; and he or she always must feel the company of Allah for as we know, if we cannot see Allah, then we definitely know and are cognizant of Him being aware of what we do.

One such example is when the sister of Bishr al-Khafi' asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal:

O Imam, I usually spin (wool) on the roof of my house at night. At that time, some officials pass by with torches in their hands, and I happen to benefit, even unwillingly, from the light of their torches. Does this mean that I mix into my earnings something gained through a religiously unlawful way? The great Imam wept bitterly at this question and replied: Something doubtful even to such a minute degree must not find a way into the house of Bishr al-Khafi.

It was also during this period that people shed tears for the rest of their lives because they had cast a single glance at something forbidden, and people who vomited a piece of unlawful food that they had swallowed in ignorance wept for days. As related by ‘Abdullah ibn Mubarak, a great traditionist and ascetic, a man traveled from Merv (Afghanistan) to Makka in order to return to its owner an item that he had put in his pocket by mistake. There were many who gave life-long service to those to whom they thought they owed something, such as Fudayl ibn ‘Iyad. Biographies of saints, such as Hilyat al-Awliya’ (The Necklace of Saints) by Abu Nu‘aym al-Isfahani, and al-Tabaqat al-Kubra (The Greatest Compendium) by Imam al-Sharani, are full of the accounts of such heroes of abstinence.

what is the purpose of bringing this up.

One of the Attributes of having waraa is that the servant does not overly involve himself with the "permissible" matters. In other words, just because the servant of the Lord knows that something is indeed halaal, he obtains from it. This aspect of spirituality comes from m'arifa' which means being cognizant of the ultimate reality.

Casting these above fact to the topic of marijuana, there are some conclusive facts that come about

For arguments sake, let us assume that weed is actually halaal. The problem is that

1. There is a certain culture that emanates from weed and the behavioral etiquettes in this culture are not necessarily from those in which Islam views as "proper". This is a general norm, and while it may not pertain specifically to an individual, it is indeed something inherent if practiced on a societal level.
and in Islam, judgments are based on the general rules, and not the exception.
2. People who have integrity with Allah do not indulge in matters that even "seem" as a matter that the spiritually bankrupt practice, much less that are clearly haraam.

An example of this is going to markets and stores. The act itself, its base ruling is one of being disliked (makruh) however its ruling is made permissible due to necessity. However, in spite of this permissibility, the people who have integrity with Allah find in their nature that markets are places were the dictates of Allah are exploited or completely defied.

Now this brings me to point 4
4. The messenger of Allah narrated in a hadeeth that a universal principle that all the prophets taught their people was
"If you have no shame, then do as you like"

This is one of the most powerful and comprehensive statements ever made on the human tongue. It entails two meanings and even sub meanings under it, but for the sake of brevity, i will highlight the main two
a. it first means that if you find no shame in something, then go ahead and do it
b. the second meaning is that the people with no shame, will do exactly what they want.

smoking weed is among the actions of those who "have no shame" for the most part, or very little shame.
Not only that, even if that is not the case, people who have waraa of Allah, they will naturally have a tendency to shame towards smoking this plant.

5. from my own personal experience, after smoking with hundreds and hundreds of people, none of them developed the attributes of "accuracy" that you have highlighted for yourself. From my experience, we became lazy, too hungry, developed stinky breath, developed misplaced priorities, and ultimately spent money on this over more necessary matters because in our view, smoking was necessary. Of course we would not get violent or departed from reason as actual intoxicants do, nevertheless there is a different set of circumstances that one can bring that demoralizes its uses. Again, this is on a general level and may not always be applied 100 percent specifically to an individual, rather Islam generates its rulings on the general norm and not the exceptions.

Likewise the plant is associated with partying, and other matters that are clearly haraam.


Now, let us go back to the narration of Ahmad bin Hanbal

The reply of Ahmad bin Hanbal was this

Something doubtful even to such a minute degree must not find a way into the house of Bishr al-Khafi.

What he has declared for her implicitly was that it was haraam for her to utilize the light of the soldiers in order to spin her wool.

The ruling in Islam on this topic was that of permissibility. So the question remains why did Ahmad prohibit this for her. The answer was because her station is not the station of merely "Islam" and being Muslim, rather her station was that of "ihsaan" (which means to worship Allah in the realm of perfection), thus what is halaal for average people is not necessarily the same ruling for someone of a higher status in the cognizance of Allah Subhaanahu.

Another example of waraa in action is by a sahaabi who was injured during battle and whom it was necessary to amputate his leg. They were going to pour alcohol over it but he refused. They said it was legal for him to do so under such condition. At that juncture he continued his stance and offered a reasoning in which I wish I could remember. Nevertheless, the point here is that even under permissible scenarios, the one who has a certain level of consciousness of Allah will not opt to do those things that bring shame even if there is a type of reasoning for it.

In conclusion, I would say that one should seek knowledge with sincerity. Likewise that the matter be looked at from various angles and with other evidences based on the fact that weed may not particularly fall under an intoxicant, and overall, no matter of the outcome, there are associated norms associated with its usage and as well as the effects it may cause in the psychological aspects of a person's waraa and that a human's waraa should not be wasted in the pursuit of pleasure or to fulfill "some" benefit and Allah knows best

Asalamu alaikum warahmatullah

 

[14yearold]

Again, I say the same thing yet you continue to slander. I dont know if youre doing it intentionally or not but anyways. Why do you think those Cannabis Smokers Smoke weed in the first place? Its to deal with their sychosis or whatever problem they had in the first place. Also, smokers are 40% more likely to go insane? LOL Like mentioned before, quit talking about things you dont know.

And I know what Im talking about because I use marijuana on a daily basis. Like I said, You can't ask a Christian Priest for a Fatwa. Dont speak things you hae no knowledge of, try posting your argument in Grass City Forums and then youd realize haha.

 

[Woodrow]

This thread is not going to accomplish anything. We do not approve the smoking of any substance, especially not an illegal one. We do not endorse the attempt to promote it's usage.

enough said.

End of conversation

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