Marines pass out Gospel verse to Iraqi Muslims

Jazzy said:
Our Dawah is through our character or invitation. We dont just go up to people and start talking religion or slip a little something in their hands. We don't go to someones door promoting our faith. Unless someone discusses religion with me or asks me something, I dont say anything. There's a huge difference.
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Exactly St. Francis's point, a Christian should evangelize the world by unconditional love and Christ live liveing, not handing out silly couns with a M-16 around your chest
 
MTAFFI said:
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whether it was one troop or a thousand, they have no business promoting any kind of religion.. This is nothing but a step backwards.. It is the same with any entity or business, you can do 10,000 good deeds but the 1 bad deed will carry more weight because that news will travel faster. This was just plain stupid..

Also Izyan, you will never find a Muslim doing this, as a Muslim is not told to "spread the word of Allah (SAW)", a Muslim has the obligation to pass on the word of Allah (SAW) if he/she is inquired upon, but there are no "evangelist" muslims
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So it's not a muslims job to perfoem Dawah in foreign lands?
 
Izyan said:
So it's not a muslims job to perfoem Dawah in foreign lands?
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The Sahih Muslim hadith indicates that a dawah is the first of three "courses of action" to be undertaken in attempting to avoid war with polytheistic enemies...
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It's a little different... emphasis on "avoiding" war and with "polytheistic" enemies. But apart from that, I don't feel threatened when Jahovah's witnesses come to my door to "invite" me to God. But, I live in a free society. However, if I were living under occupation and the "invitation" was given by the armed occupiers - that's a whole world different.

The Ninth Scribe
 
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Izyan said:
So it's not a muslims job to perfoem Dawah in foreign lands?
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maybe amongst fellow muslims, but as Jazzy said Dawah is to be performed through your character or invitation from an individual or group. Dont get me wrong, if you google islamic missionaries there are people out there who do it, but it is not gone about by knocking on doors or handing out pamphlets

there must be something attractive about it right? I mean you yourself are signed up on an "islamicboard"
 
MTAFFI said:
maybe amongst fellow muslims, but as Jazzy said Dawah is to be performed through your character or invitation from an individual or group. Dont get me wrong, if you google islamic missionaries there are people out there who do it, but it is not gone about by knocking on doors or handing out pamphlets
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There have been many threads about muslim groups raising money to provide every household with a Quran or a dawah DVD.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
There have been many threads about muslim groups raising money to provide every household with a Quran or a dawah DVD.
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Yes, and there are groups who provide free Torahs and Bibles - you only have to call their 800 number. But they don't occupy your country and show up on your doorstep armed now, do they?

The Ninth Scribe
 
Whatsthepoint said:
There have been many threads about muslim groups raising money to provide every household with a Quran or a dawah DVD.
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as Jazzy said that is by invitation, no one is forcing you to take or overwhelming you into giving it a chance, in fact, if you look I am sure it is a donation basis... Not only that but does it specify the type of household? It may be every Muslim household, or every household that wishes to have a copy to learn from, the Muslim is a sacred book, I think the article even stated that it is never to even touch the ground, so they wont be laying around on doorsteps or given to people who will throw it in the trash as many do with the Jehovahs witness books. You are either a believer or you are not... how many Qurans' have been delivered to your house? How many dawah DVD's?
 
MTAFFI said:
maybe amongst fellow muslims, but as Jazzy said Dawah is to be performed through your character or invitation from an individual or group. Dont get me wrong, if you google islamic missionaries there are people out there who do it, but it is not gone about by knocking on doors or handing out pamphlets

there must be something attractive about it right? I mean you yourself are signed up on an "islamicboard"
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I've explained why I am here as an apostate. It was always explained to me at Muna Madrassah that it was our duty to teach our arab brothers the ways of Allah whether they were muslim or not. To invite them to Islam. That sounds like proselytizing to me.
 
I fully support the right of these missionaries to speak, even yell their message.

I fully reserve my right to laugh in their faces when they do.
 
They probably come in every language. Theirs a fundamentalist that broadcasts in over 100 languages. I'll give them one thing, they do hit all the languages. So to say this is a concerted effort is still a huge stretch.

And once again, its only been ONE (thats 1) marine. Maybe they'll find a few others, but I doubt it would go beyond 10. Even so, I've notice in your responses that it seems to be the entire outfit forcing christianity on people, which is not the case.

I understand its a common failing that people are real quick to spread blame to an entire group throught the actions of a few (All jews to blame for killing jesus, muslims for terrorists, etc) , but you got to get beyond that.
 
Gator said:
Even so, I've notice in your responses that it seems to be the entire outfit forcing christianity on people, which is not the case.
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Oh, they're trouble makers Gator, and they're causing problems in the military:

The growing influence of evangelical Protestants is roiling the military chaplain corps, where their desire to preach their faith more openly is colliding with long-held military traditions of pluralism and diversity.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082902036_pf.html
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The Ninth Scribe
 
lol the Iraqis should have been abit witty here, and play with this evangelical and tell him excuse me mr.Soldier, but why did your God send his son and not himself?! this is like your president, and leaders, who send you to do their dirty work, and cant come themselves, oh mr.Soldier is this the God you want me to come to?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no thanks.

now the soldier will try to be smart, and say, see theres a difference, Bush and his fellow leaders dont send their children,they send other people, God sent his only son. then the Iraqi should say what?! are you saying God then has a literal child?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he will say no no not literal, then the Iraqi should say then why do you make comparison with LITERAL children of Bush and other leaders if your talking methaphorically! ya mr soldier you are so confused, go from me!

:) the soldier will scratch his head.
 
The_Prince said:
:) the soldier will scratch his head.
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I'm not sure it would be good advice to antagonize an armed soldier - especially an evangelical one. The reason I'm concerned about them is because they're after the "Rapture" and there's only one way they can have it. That being, the destruction of this world. It's a death cult and they are taking the ancient prophecies as a "model" for the End Times.

I know there is an End Times, but this isn't it. The reason I say this is because the "prophesies" I see today are being "generated" by them. It's a fraud, like the state they have called Israel is a fraud. The real one would base its foundation on the Holy Laws, not blatantly break them for the sake of a surface appearance.

Of course my other pet peeve is that they think I'm the anti-christ simply because I pack a punch in my arguments against them. But that's just me. I wouldn't have a problem with them if they were a suicide cult - but when they try to drag the rest of the world into their abyss, and abuse holy law to do it, they make it my business. They cannot be reasoned with, they have little to no respect for the law, be it of men or God, and I consider them to be a very dangerous group.

The Ninth Scribe
 
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MTAFFI said:
as Jazzy said that is by invitation, no one is forcing you to take or overwhelming you into giving it a chance, in fact, if you look I am sure it is a donation basis... Not only that but does it specify the type of household? It may be every Muslim household, or every household that wishes to have a copy to learn from, the Muslim is a sacred book, I think the article even stated that it is never to even touch the ground, so they wont be laying around on doorsteps or given to people who will throw it in the trash as many do with the Jehovahs witness books. You are either a believer or you are not... how many Qurans' have been delivered to your house? How many dawah DVD's?
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http://www.islamicboard.com/exchange-links/56515-turning-west-into-muslim-majority.html
http://masjidi.com/index.php/Muslim-Projects/237-Mass-Dawah.html#237
Assalamualaikum

This is going to seem like a very hard project to some, but infact it is not. After the masjidi project is completed we will be doing this project.

Summary

To do dawah to the UK's non muslim population. And help them understand Islam.

We will do this by doing a mass dawah project, once we have the masjidi projected completed, for development of 1000 masjid sites, we will have a very large mailing list, we will be collecting funds for this project.

We will be doing a mail shot to 27 million households in the UK with a booklet on Islam, removing misconceptions, helping non muslims learn about Islam and will also put a DVD filled with audio, video and interactive learning.

The royal mail will charge approximately 1.5 million pounds for the distribution of this material.

The material will cost quite a large amount. However this is do able. And we will do this after the masjidi project. Islam is a religion for mankind and it is attractive to those who understand what Islam is. And we will educate the non muslims on what Islam is. Making this the largest dawah project

We will need to get the masjidi project up first, after this we expect that the dawah project will take approximately 5 years to raise the capital for such a huge campaign. We will however be making these all sustainable inshaallah.

We hope that we can first get the support to help the masjidi project build 1000 sites for mosques. We need to raise atleast 10,000 initially. To get this completed.
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Here's another one:
http://www.kansas.com/194/story/413623.html
Group's goal is a Quran in every home

CHICAGO - • A foundation distributing the holy book of Islam to non-Muslims hopes to clear up misconceptions about the faith.

As Marcia Macy chatted with her dog walker in the driveway of her Wheaton, Ill., home Thursday, a young Muslim man passed her and hooked a plastic bag containing a Quran on her doorknob.

Unlike most religious solicitors, the man didn't try to speak with her or engage her in debate. He simply left her a 378-page paperback English translation of the holy book of Islam.

"I'd read it just to see what it says, but I believe in Jesus, not Allah," said Macy, a longtime Christian. "They have a right to do it... but I feel pretty strong in my faith."

If Macy reads the text, she will have fulfilled the goal of the Book of Signs Foundation. The Muslim organization says that since July it has distributed more than 70,000 free English Qurans to homes in the Chicago area and an additional 30,000 around Houston.

The Christian stronghold of Wheaton, Ill., is the group's latest stop. The foundation spent the previous three weeks in Chicago's Hyde Park and Jackson Park neighborhoods.

Organizers said their aim is to help people develop their own opinions about Islam instead of being misled by common misconceptions about the faith that have been especially egregious since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"We're just trying to be honest brokers of information," said Wajahat Sayeed, founder and director of Book of Signs, which also is known as al-Furqaan Foundation. "You make your own judgment."

Distributing free scripture is not new, of course. Many Christian groups pass out Bibles; Gideons International distributed almost 450,000 in September in a weeklong "New York Bible Blitz."

And other Muslim groups have given away free Qurans. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Lake County, Ill., reports distributing more than 1,000 since 2005, with a boom in requests for Spanish-translated Qurans in the past year.

But the Book of Signs' long-term goal is particularly ambitious: that each household in the U.S. possess a Quran, even if the residents are not Muslims.

On Thursday, two teams -- each with two walkers and one person driving a minivan full of books -- crisscrossed the manicured neighborhoods of Wheaton.

Their chosen approach is noninvasive. Walkers don't hand the books directly to residents or engage in debate. Some people who were out walking their dogs or planting annuals said they assumed the men were passing out newspapers or delivering advertisements.

The book includes a phone number where people can leave a message if they have questions or comments, and Sayeed checks those messages daily. He said about 30 percent are appreciative. An additional 30 percent are indifferent and request that someone return to pick up the book. The rest are often expletive-laden.

"It is not pleasant to hear that after all the effort you made," said Sayeed, who works full time for the foundation after leaving a job as a strategy consultant for PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Some callers ask serious questions, such as "What does Islam say about the Virgin Mary?" or "What does Islam say about Jesus?" One woman called to ask general questions about Islam since she was planning a trip to the Middle East.

The books being distributed include a foreword that urges readers to treat the text with respect, asking residents who don't want it to call for pickup or give it to a local mosque. Paid workers who distribute the Qurans don't make the rounds in the rain and never leave books on the ground.

In Wheaton on Thursday, one woman said she didn't know what a Quran was and didn't know what she was going to do with it. Most others said they would read through it.

"I've read literature about the Quran, but never read the Quran," said Kevin Ritchie, 46.

He said he would read the book but remain skeptical about the religion. "I think they've got a right to pass them out, but I'm pretty much set with my religion," Ritchie said.

Muslims believe the Quran to be the word of God revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. Experts said reading the Quran can be difficult for the average non-Muslim because it's not written in chronological order and requires some context about the period in which it was written.

Sabeel Ahmed, director of outreach programs for the Islamic Circle of North America, said the Quran project is a good first step. However, he notes that follow-up meetings or additional reading material would be helpful.

"Rather than just opening page one and reading, a better approach would be to give some supplemental information," he said.

Sayeed said the foundation chose a translation written in a simple, modern language that Americans can easily understand.

"The general sense will be clear," Sayeed said. "Islam teaches peace."
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How can a coin (or anything else) make you change your religion if you're a strict follower??
 

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