Marriages not being approved

[Rhubarb Tart]

1. The same the virgin's first duty is to herself passing her test. So she should recognise that her Guardian is breaking the rules of not allowing her to get married to another Muslims. She certainly does not need to listen to people who are not being religious, because if she listened to him, she is following something unIslamic.

2. If she cannot get approval to marry another Muslim, she can still get married as it was unIslamic to stop her, should she follow rules which are not Islamic? No. The marriage is still recognised by Allah, as he is Merciful and Compassionate.

3. So the fact is, is she listening to the Wali first or to Islamic rules? If the Wali was being Islamic he would never have refused, so if he refuses she can still get married and she is still following what is Islamic, and the marriage is valid!! The is no difference being don't bother thinking do that other Islamic thing, as I forbid it to you. You wouldn't listen to Satan telling you not to pray first before eating. How can someone forbid you something that is lawful? They cannot and you wouldn't be doing an Islamic thing by following them. Do not, and never listen to people first, listen to Islam first!!

To go through a Wali, was to protect the women, but there is nothing to say they have the right to make something unlawful which is lawful, they do not have the right to decline what clearly is the right for her to get married to another Muslim.

No Muslim who fears Allah and the Last Day would ever refuse. So don't listen to people who don't fear Allah and the Last Day, as you will be regretting it.

All good saying this but if I was you, I would be careful on how to spread such message which if a girl follows can land her in danger (Violence from parents or even honour killing). One should seek support and advice from iman before going ahead, that iman can help to change the parent’s attitudes as he is trustworthy. This would lessen the danger if indeed her parents are like that.

 

[Al Mu'minaat]

Aslamalakaium wa rahmatuliah wa baraktu

Great Post Brother syed_z ..

Jazakhalah Khayr for the post.. alhamduliah very beneficial

May Allah shower his blessing on our parents, and Guide the Misguided Ones... who divert others from the right path..
Ameen

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Respect parents and no to force marriages. Why can we have both? Why do we have to choose one over the other?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Hadith on forced marriage
The Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the practise of forced marriages as completely going against the purpose of marriage as set out in the Quran.

Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) said: "A non-virgin woman may not be married without her command, and a virgin may not be married without her permission; and enough permission for her is to remain silent (because of her natural shyness)." [Al-Bukhaari, Muslim & Others]

A woman said to the Prophet that her father married her to a relative of his in order to improve his own social standing. He did not ask her views on this marriage before he did it. The Prophet ruled the marriage to be dissolved immediately. The woman said: "Now, messenger of God, I approve of what my father has done. I only wanted that women should know that men have no say in their matrimonial affairs."

ONE day, a beautiful woman by the name of Jameela, daughter of Abi Ibn Salool, came to the assembly of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) and said to Him: "O prophet of Allah, nothing can make my head and his (her husband's head) to be together in one place." Then she went on to describe how ugly and repulsive she found him to be in appearance. The Prophet asked her if her husband had given her anything as dower. Jameela informed him that he had given her an orchard of dates as her mehr. At this the Prophet asked her if she was ready and willing to return the orchard to him. She replied, "Yes, that and more!" At this he said, "Not more, not more." Then the Prophet sent for her husband, Sabit bin Qais, informed him of his wife's feelings and intention and conducted a divorce between them.

A companion of the Prophet, Mughira bin Shuba, reported that when he intended to marry a certain woman and to send the proposal of marriage to her, the Prophet asked him, "Have you seen her?" The man said "No". The Prophet advised him, "Take a look at her, as this would be more conducive to producing affection, love and pleasant harmony between the two of you". (Musnad Ahmed, Tirmizi, Nisai, Ibn Majah). So love and harmony between the spouses are essential ingredients of a successful marriage.

Once a young woman came to the Prophet and said that her father had married her off as a minor, and that she had obviously not been consulted. The Prophet said that she could leave her husband if she so wished. She replied, "I have no desire to leave him. I simply wanted to know my rights." This was the Prophet's way of honouring the female.

And of His signs is this: He created spouses for you from among yourselves that you might find comfort in them, and He put between you love and mercy. Surely there are signs in that for people who reflect. (Qur'an 30:21)

ay a father force his virgin daughter who attained puberty to marry? Two well-known opinions in this regard are reported from Ahmad:



That he may compel her. This is also the opinion of Maalik, ash-Shaafi`ee, and others.
That he may not. This is also the opinion of Aboo Haneefah and others, and is the correct one.

People have differed as tot he reason permitting the compulsion: whether it is virginity, the daughter being under-aged, or a combination of both. The closest opinion to the truth is her being under-aged, whereas no one can compel a grown-up virgin in marriage. Aboo Hurayrah, radhiallahu `anhu reported that the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, said:



"A non-virgin woman may not be married without her command, and a virgin may not be married without her permission; and enough permission for her is to remain silent (because of her natural shyness)." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]



Thus the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, prohibits forcing a virgin in marriage without her permission, whether it be her father or someone else. Furthermore, `Aa'ishah, radhiallahu `anhaa, said that she asked the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, "In the case of a young girl whose parents marry her, should her permission be sought or not?" He replied, "Yes, she must give her permission." She then said, "But a virgin will be shy, O Allaah’s Messenger." He answered:



"Her silence is [considered as] her permission." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]



This applies to the father as well as others. Furthermore, Islaam does not give the father the right to use any of her wealth without her permission, how then could he be allowed to decide, without her permission, how her body (which is more important than her wealth) is to be used, specially when she disagrees to that and is mature to decide for herself?



Also, there is evidence and concensus in Islaam to restrict an underage person’s free control of his wealth or person. However, to make a virginity a reason for the restriction contradicts the Islaamic basis.



As for the difference between the non-virgin and virgin in the hadeeth of the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, it is not a differentiation between compulsion and non-compulsion; the difference between the two cases is that (a) the former gives her instructions for the marriage whereas the latter gives permission, and that (b) the virgin’s silence counts as a permission. The reason for this is that a virgin would be shy to discuss the matter of marriage, so she is not proposed to directly; rather, her walee (guardian) is approached, he takes her permission, and then she gives him the permission not the command to marry her.



And as for a non-virgin, she would not have the shyness of virginity anymore; thus she can discuss the matter of her marriage, she can be proposed to, and she gives the command to her walee to perform the marriage, and he must obey her.



Thus the walee is command-executor in the case of the non-virgin, and is permission-seeker in the case of the virgin. This is what the Prophet's words indicate. As for compelling her to marry despite her loathing to do so, this would contradict the fundamentals and reason. Allaah ta`ala did not permit a walee to force her to sell or rent her property without her permission. Neither did He permit him to force her to eat or drink or wear that which she does not wish. How would He then oblige her to accompany and copulate with a person whose company she hates - at the time when Allaah ta`ala has sent between the two spouses love and mercy? If such company happens despite her hatred and repulsion, where is the love and mercy?

I got the info from this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-support/19343-please-i-am-begging-ur-help-forced-marriage.html

 

[h-n]

Respect parents and no to force marriages. Why can we have both? Why do we have to choose one over the other?

Just like to say that I never said that we shouldn't respect parents, I am concentrating on those children who are placed into difficult situations. They frankly need the attention, so I can't just change what is clearly aimed at them to talking about respecting parents.

The fact that people brought up respecting parents speaks volumes of their own insecurities. When I only said for children to be strong as this is they only time they have to save themselves from the fires of Hell.

Also thank-you for taking the time to post about forced marriages.

 

[h-n]

Aslamalakaium wa rahmatuliah wa baraktu

Great Post Brother syed_z ..

Jazakhalah Khayr for the post.. alhamduliah very beneficial

May Allah shower his blessing on our parents, and Guide the Misguided Ones... who divert others from the right path..
Ameen

You saying that I am misguiding people? Why don't you also ask Allah to help those children who have been placed in difficult situations too???

I find people who complain are just insecure about themselves, when I only mentioned children being strong, it is the only time they have to make it to Paradise, not live a miserable forced existance. It is a BAD THING to use others to make yourselves feel appreciated at the expense of your children being miserable. I am not disputing respecting parents.

You say that I am misguiding you, then PRAY to Allah, PRAY that our paths never cross when these countries collapse, till the time we have to walk to the Mahdi. PRAY, PRAY for this, as you are saying that I am misguiding you. When I only have mentioned the truth, which Syed_z has not refuted he is using other situations without addressing the situation at hand.

 

[syed_z]

well i guess i dont get it right?... does this mean u should obey parents even if they are acting out of sharia?

i understand well parents should be respected the most, however marriage is an important thing the girl should be willing and happy to get married to the guy if she isnt then what is the point?

do u know the divorce rate was way too high at the time of sahabah becoz they wouldnt date and wait to see if the person is compatible, they would rather marry and understand the person and divorce if they are not happy, they saw marriage as a relationship of two souls.

now if a women divorce's, would u marry her? if ur answer happens to be yes then know that there are thousands of muslim men wouldnt marry a divorce women
and i guess prophet pbuh said dont force women into marriage let them choose??

i guess the root cause of this people are not following sharia... if they would, such things will not happen

and allah knows the best

Brother Hope you doing fine...


Yes brother you did not get me right... any Muslim Parents if trying to force their Children would not be following Shariah i agree......

.....but is this True that since the inception of Islam, for the past 1400 years of Islamic History, since all those years, among all parents with children or families, and every time, a Child was ALWAYS right and parents were ALWAYS wrong ? Hasn't there been times when Parents were also right and Children were also wrong ? Would you believe that Children's choice of Marriage ALWAYS ended up Perfect with 100% success rate ?..... seriously Bro, there are many instances where Parents have warned the child, because of the child's inexperience and because of parents own experience that they have been able to see that the guy might NOT be right for their daughter.... and yes there have been many instances when the Child was wrong and Parents saved their daughters from marrying wrong person and many instances when daughter realized her mistake of marrying a wrong guy by not listening to her parents who had more experience ...... so are you telling me that such will be against Shariah, if parents would stop their Child daughter from getting ruined....


thats why i gave an example which i have seen in my relatives and told H-N...

(2:216)....and you dislike it; it may be that you dislike a thing and the same is good for you, and you love a thing and the same is bad for you: Allah knows but you do not.


There is also an example like you gave one, that a girl married a boy with her parents choice, and was not happy at 1st... but later he treated her Like princess, and she thanked Allah (swt) for giving Her such Husband and prayed for Mercy for her Parents because they Acted like the Best Guardians (Walis) for her...and made for her the best decision regarding her future.... while she also realized that if she would have made her decision , that could have ended her with the wrong type of person....

do u know the divorce rate was way too high at the time of sahabah becoz they wouldnt date and wait to see if the person is compatible, they would rather marry and understand the person and divorce if they are not happy, they saw marriage as a relationship of two souls.

could you please tell me what was the Divorce rate was at the time ? brother there was no divorce rate..... Yes there were many instances that Marriages were broken but are you trying to say that rate was high as meaning most companions marriages did not end up right ? No thats not true... also the rate of Love marriages i.e Dating before Marriage, does it always end up right ?.... is there 100% succes rate in love marriages ? I have seen many statistics in which Love marriages are mostly unsuccessful... but does that mean there should NOT be love marriage ? Obviously you should like the person.... but that does NOT mean either that all Arrange marriages are NOT successful !! Its fruitless to argue over this... whether Arrange or Love, both ways can be success or unsuccess...

HOWEVER! There is NO Dating in Islam! Yes you need to know the person before you marry.... is there A Halaal way to do it ? Yes there is.... you can talk to the girl as long as she has a Mahram i.e her brother/father/mother etc with her... this is what scholars say because Muhammad (Saw) said "If a man and woman are alone, then the 3rd among them is a Satan"..... you can talk to her for how many hours, get to know her and then marry her if both of you think you can get along... simple! No Western Way of Dating!

now if a women divorce's, would u marry her? if ur answer happens to be yes then know that there are thousands of muslim men wouldnt marry a divorce women
and i guess prophet pbuh said dont force women into marriage let them choose??

There are also thousands who WOULD marry her.... and yes Many Sahabas did marry the widows ... im sure you agree with that! Muhammad (Saw) married A Widow.... so yes all men should, and Allah (Swt) says in the Quran about a Widow to not be forced.... and it clearly says...


(2:232) And when you divorce women and they have come to the end of their waiting term, hinder them not from marrying other men if they have agreed with each other in a fair manner.

The Divorced women are much experienced and know much about Marital life, as compared to a girl who has never been married....

Also we have to keep in mind, that unlike todays world, in Islamic Culture, which is still purely followed in many places of the World... men are the supporters of the House and women usually take care of the House as that is their Job... since Women do not go outside much and stay at homes unless otherwise.....young women need Guardians (walis) to help them in their Major Decision of their Lives, specially Marriages.... because it concerns their Future....

H-N is making it sound MORE like Parents influencing their Childs future is because they are JEALOUS and SELFISH! What Rubbish is that ? would people believe that Muslim Parents almost all of them, are jealous and selfish, even the worst parents Love their child, its God gifted Nature .... not that there cannot be ever.... but throughout her post, to stand up to parents is being shown as Standing up to a Tyrant Ruler!


All i am saying is... that Marriages cannot be forced on women, unmarried or divorced... period! but also Parents consultation is a must... they are your guardians, specially in case of young women... and since Allah (swt) gives them a degree which if we try giving them a lesser one, then we are going against Allah... mutual consultation brings peace, even the Companions did Mutual consultation before making their decisions... and this is case of those who gave birth and took care of you all your lives... and we forget them in regards to a major decision in your life ?

H-N if you notice only speaks of parents forcing and being selfish and jealous and children always being right, but she NEVER explains in an Islamic manner that we also need to keep Parents respect and love in our minds at all times...she only focuses on One while completely forgetting the most important aspect of a Muslims life, this is dangerous we are not one sided Muslim.... this is Un Islamic... this is to rebel... watch out!



What are colors good for ... when the Message aint even right...

 

[syed_z]

Respect parents and no to force marriages. Why can we have both? Why do we have to choose one over the other?

exactly ... agreed... so the person starting this Thread only focuses on one Subject while completely keeping Parents out, whom Allah has given a very high degree respect...Focuses only on children while forgetting that Parents are the cause of you to be in this world... keeps using words like selfish, stupid, jealous about those who are Mercy from Allah ..... and so yes we should love parents and CONSULT regarding all our decisions and not be rebellious with them as they care for us more than any one....

 

[h-n]

To everyone, Syed_z has mentioned the word "jealousy", as Allah is my witness that word has not come to my mind when writing this thread etc. Only when he has mentioned it, and he is accusing me fo accusing parents of being jealous. Which I have never done-were is it that I have used that word? Nowhere.

Frankly that speaks volumes. He is just probably using his own life experiences to be content with how things work because he is happy with them as it works for him;-

1. There are males who don't oppose forced marriages as it benefits them, they have someone to have sex with etc.

2. Of course they know that without their parents they would not have been able to get married, as they are probably idiots and its hard for them to find a wife without the parents. ;D

3. It is idiotic to me that a Male quotes other people's examples. For example if a someone came to me and said why don't you get married to me, because those other two got married and she was happy etc. I find it stupid, he wants me to get married to him, there is no need to talk about anyone else. I am not marrying you because other people have got married, they are not the ones who have got married to you and having sex with you. <_< Also Syed_z missing important points, a virgin does NOT want to have sex with someone she does not like. So what if your parents like him, your the one who is going to have sex with him. Its important to like the person that you have sex with, even the virgins in Paradise are happy with their husbands. They are being made to go through something uncomfortable.

4. As the Males don't dispute with anything as it works in their favour, this explains were the word jealousy he has brought in, as nowhere in thread post 1 has he actually refuted. He is jealous himself then, that he stands rather poorly compared to others who stand up for what they believe in. To stand up as Men and Women to be strong and push to fight for what is right and who you want to get married to. As there are people who kick themselves and wish they done what so and so had done in their life. If someone learnt to fly an aeroplane, someone wished they done the same, and they see themselves poor in comparison. :bump1:

5. Please note that I am no longer married ( but I am not going to be selfish and tell others to be losers), I am not teaching people to live a miserable existance as Syed_z is, where he has not actually addressing the issue of forced marriage. I want other people to do well, even I am happy for people to be better then me. Not to live the same that I have done. Even a single Muslim women at a community centre, said to me that the married people were being rather stuck up and not giving talking about marriage issues very well, and I wasn't. There are people who are jealous and want others to live the same as they do, and not do anything else.

6. If a person stands up as Men and Women, instead of being treated like children they will be happy with themselves. You cannot quote inexperience. As soon you would be entering a sexual relationship so stop treating people as if they are immature. They aren't using other people's experience in their own marriage they are having their own!!

7. There are Males that like to quote that a female got married and wasn't happy and then she was later on, that is because people like Syed_z are shallow, and insecure and rely on the females to turn out the same way as they read in stories. <_<

8. If you were an upstanding Man, then frankly women would be asking to get married to you, they would want to get married to you. So you don't need to use other people's examples as you are weak. People look at your credentials and what you stand for and achieve, not hiding behind your parents.

9. Syed_z has not proved that what I have said on post 1 is wrong, I am talking about marriages not being approved and forced marriages, he is talking about something totally different -respecting parents (which I did mention anyway in post 1 which is highlighted in blue-that we respect parents-he said what is the point of colours if it gives the wrong information!! When obviously it is correct). How can he be right when he is talking about something else not addressing the situation? He is not.

10. There is nothing wrong with this thread, parents already have so much support, who supports the child? When they are forced to get married?? He has shown he is selfish and inconsiderate. Why not give support to people who need it the most. <_< So showing that he wants people to be living a miserable life, never getting up and standing up for what is right, for being the best they can be!.

11. He talks about divorce, there are people that are not allowed to get one. Also no matter who has chosen it, the children have made the marriage work!! Not the parents. They are showing that they can make a marriage work with someone else too, not just the person that their parents had chosen for them.

12. Also as he could not simply oppose evil over the internet, how hard was it to forbid evil? When he is not even in battle etc. He could not do a simple thing, showing that he is useless to oppose evil in his existance. It has been rather poor!!! Obviously forgetting that there are those that are already in the next world wishing they had distanced themselves from evil, they allowed people to be beaten up, and they wished they had done more to forbid it!!

opcorn:

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

im going to ignore your last reply to me, as i dont see it getting anywhere but that wali issue that was bought up i would like to address.

im not sure exactly of the fiqhi details of it, but in the case where there is difference of opinion between the ulamaa about it, then this isn't what im arguing. i fully accept this and have no problems with thier differing over it (if this really is this case) however you haven't made it exactly clear what your stance in regards to the wali giving his daughter away....can you expand? do you disregard that the wali is needed in giving his daughters away? are you condoning women to turn their backs on their families by disregarding the opinion of their walis? are you saying that women should believe and trust every guy that speaks nicely to her and promises her a happy marriage IN ABSENCE of her wali/mahrams.

 

[h-n]

Its strange, they treat me like if they are being rude,

1. I'm being direct and don't treat and think that people if they are stupid.
2. They say they talk nicely, but they treat and think that people are stupid.

I am talking about Muslim Men and Women being strong, responsible and mature. I have confidence that they would recognise other people's credentials.

Maybe you treating this like teenage boyfriend and girlfriend, were they rely on people saying they are attractive and want to be with them. Well move on from that LOL, I am talking about Muslim Men and women being responsible. If they and they do meet someone that they like, then by all means marry that person. You don't need the approval of your rejecting Wali, when marriage is already lawful for you. You don't need to beg someone to have what is rightfullly yours.

There is no need to waste time picking on anything for sake of argument. So quit posting anything. Go and create your own thread about the issue. As that is about choosing the right husband/wife, so no need to derail threads. This thread is about people rejecting the idea of them getting married, when it is unlawful for them to do so.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

people treat you nice becuase they realize that being direct (and it has been proven to them) that talking harshly doesn't work. unless you know what is in the hearts of people, then shut up.

from now on, i will talk to you how i really think/feel and lets see how far it will go.

lady, you seem to have a head the size of planet earth? does it have its own gravitation pull as well? now tell me, is that attitude going to work? no.

You don't need the approval of your rejecting Wali, when marriage is already lawful for you. You don't need to beg someone to have what is rightfullly yours.

the conditions for a marriage to be considered valid, is the acceptance of the wali.

Marriage is not permissible and is not valid except with a wali, according to the majority of scholars, because of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no marriage without a wali.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (2085), al-Tirmidhi (1101) and Ibn Majaah (1881) from the hadeeth of Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no marriage except with a wali and two witnesses of good character.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi from the hadeeth of ‘Imraan and ‘Aa’ishah; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’ 7557.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who gets married without the permission of her guardian, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid. But if the marriage is consummated then the mahr is hers because she has allowed him to be intimate with her. If they dispute, then the ruler is the guardian of the one who has no guardian.” Narrated by Ahmad (24417), Abu Dawood (2083) and al-Tirmidhi (1102); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’ no. 2709.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/95405/wali

there are several fatwa (and books) which state its importance. go rad anything basic regarding marriage and it will tell you the same thing.

There is no need to waste time picking on anything for sake of argument. So quit posting anything. Go and create your own thread about the issue.

no. i feel it is an important issue to raise. if men dont see that the girl doesn't care about what her family think, they (save a few who fear allah) will walk all over her, funnily enough yielding the same bloody results you are condemning in this thread- women's rights being abused.

men fear men -end of. you cant cant accept a guy to care about a sister if he sees that her family (namely her mahrams) dont care about her. no matter how smart and unemotional a girl is, she still remains the lone sheep and and any man with ill intent can easily "prey" on her a girl can be of strong personality, but a male will use sweet words to win her over. a girl can be weak and a male can use either abuse her/abuse her rights or brainwash her again will sweet words.

i recall some brothers here in the past advising sister to be careful. and this is from a brothers perspective...the both extremes of forced marriages and disregarding the wali IS NOT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what you mention is almost just as worse as the opinions of some kaafirs have regarding women! we aren't doormats and Allah has honored us through Islam whether it be through the allowance of rejecting anyone we dont like or whether it is through making is necessary for a man to go to our fathers/wali's and practically BEG by ASKING his permission for us!!! a male wanting something going up to a fellow male to ask. what better honor is that, i dont freaking know. talk about an ego bruising!

 

[h-n]

people treat you nice becuase they realize that being direct (and it has been proven to them) that talking harshly doesn't work. unless you know what is in the hearts of people, then shut up.

from now on, i will talk to you how i really think/feel and lets see how far it will go.

lady, you seem to have a head the size of planet earth? does it have its own gravitation pull as well? now tell me, is that attitude going to work? no.


the conditions for a marriage to be considered valid, is the acceptance of the wali.



there are several fatwa (and books) which state its importance. go rad anything basic regarding marriage and it will tell you the same thing.


no. i feel it is an important issue to raise. if men dont see that the girl doesn't care about what her family think, they (save a few who fear allah) will walk all over her, funnily enough yielding the same bloody results you are condemning in this thread- women's rights being abused.

men fear men -end of. you cant cant accept a guy to care about a sister if he sees that her family (namely her mahrams) dont care about her. no matter how smart and unemotional a girl is, she still remains the lone sheep and and any man with ill intent can easily "prey" on her a girl can be of strong personality, but a male will use sweet words to win her over. a girl can be weak and a male can use either abuse her/abuse her rights or brainwash her again will sweet words.

i recall some brothers here in the past advising sister to be careful. and this is from a brothers perspective...the both extremes of forced marriages and disregarding the wali IS NOT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what you mention is almost just as worse as the opinions of some kaafirs have regarding women! we aren't doormats and Allah has honored us through Islam whether it be through the allowance of rejecting anyone we dont like or whether it is through making is necessary for a man to go to our fathers/wali's and practically BEG by ASKING his permission for us!!! a male wanting something going up to a fellow male to ask. what better honor is that, i dont freaking know. talk about an ego bruising!

What ever the size of my head maybe, at least my brain works. Also its not about being nice, what is consistent is people derailing my threads. The threads are there for all to see that.

What is it that you don't understand about "derailing threads"? Typical some women's attitude is they like to win an argument and say anything.

Why are you talking about sweet talking all the time??? You appear to have a stupid teenage prespective on bringing up males being nice to people, I suggest you get upto date, that's embarrassing.+o(

If you have opened your eyes in this world, you would have realised that the west world is actually promoting what Muslim women look at, they look at how that Man treats his parents, his family, how is he with his job, etc. Not how he talks to the women!!!! Also of course we look at how he is Islamically too.

If you read my " Evil Society " thread, then you would realise that I certainly do not treat Muslim Men and Women as being immature etc. So at least I mentioned that this was a follow up from the Evil Society thread. So at least I linked this thread with the other one.

This thread is about Muslim Men and Women who have already made up their mind of who they want to marry!! Not questioning their decision. But to go over that no one can reject the marriage as its unlawful. So create your own thread. Stop derailing mine. This is ridiculous.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

omg just omg *whacks head on table*

*ignores all your other misunderstood based jargon*

What is it that you don't understand about "derailing threads"? Typical some women's attitude is they like to win an argument and say anything.

what are you then? a robot? a man? an animal? not a very coming statement from someone who claims to have a brain.

This is ridiculous.

ugh! ya telling me!

im sorry lady, there is no-one embarrassing themselves more in this thread, other then your own self.

 

[h-n]

omg just omg *whacks head on table*

*ignores all your other misunderstood based jargon*


what are you then? a robot? a man? an animal? not a very coming statement from someone who claims to have a brain.


ugh! ya telling me!

im sorry lady, there is no-one embarrassing themselves more in this thread, other then your own self.

I said "some women's attitude". You see that word SOME!!!!

I am happy with what I have written, say it on the Day of Judgement, that it was an embarrasment.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

yh i do now. but apparently your big head refuses to understand anybody else point of view. have fun being stupid.

you lecture people about the aakhirah and you cant even acknowledge the walis involved in a marriage!

 

[h-n]

yh i do now. but apparently your big head refuses to understand anybody else point of view. have fun being stupid.

you lecture people about the aakhirah and you cant even acknowledge the walis involved in a marriage!

Maybe Islamicboard should change their name to "I'm with stupid".

Typical saying anything, when you've got nothing to say about the issue at hand, about wali's rejecting marriage.

The Day of Judgement is important, and reflects what people should do.

Wali does not come first, remembering the Day of Judgement does!!!

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Maybe Islamicboard should change their name to "I'm with stupid".

everyone would get confused with the same user-names. thats not very practical.

Typical saying anything, when you've got nothing to say about the issue at hand, about wali's rejecting marriage.

what choice have you given me? i figured its best to ignore everything since you seemed to have not sunken in.

The Day of Judgement is important, and reflects what people should do.

thank you you've hit the nail on the head.

Wali does not come first, remembering the Day of Judgement does!!!

exactly. so how do we prepare for this day, if we go around ignoring rulings Islam has stipulated. does that even sound consistent/normal to you?

 

[Cabdullahi]

shizzle i need to get some popcorn! are sisters harsh to each other like this bomboclat!

 

[syed_z]

1. There are males who don't oppose forced marriages as it benefits them, they have someone to have sex with etc.

2. Of course they know that without their parents they would not have been able to get married, as they are probably idiots and its hard for them to find a wife without the parents. ;D

Muhammad (saw) said "A Believer is either one who speaks good or keeps his/her mouth shut."

Also Syed_z missing important points, a virgin does NOT want to have sex with someone she does not like. So what if your parents like him, your the one who is going to have sex with him. Its important to like the person that you have sex with, even the virgins in Paradise are happy with their husbands. They are being made to go through something uncomfortable.

Marriage for you is nothing but Sexual Intercourse... there is also love and affection and emotions, its not only Physical Satisfaction that you marry for... May Allah guide you before you get married...



for you H-n ....


(75:14) Nay but man shall against himself be an eye witness, (15) even though he may veil himself in excuses...


Praise be to Allah (swt)... every one sees what your saying and what i have said and every one knows whose at fault... just by writing in Capital and fancy will not help you prove your point and will not help change the fact ... your talks are useless and you need to repent to God for whatever you have posted in many threads...

What ever you say comes from Your own Evil Self (Nafs) , it does NOT come from Allah (Swt) and His Messenger (saw)... just cause your status say "sister in Islam"... does not mean that Muslim Brothers/sisters will help or be on your side even if you were saying everything wrong.... we are supposed to say word of Truth even though it be against Ourselves...

Learn Islam, then come talk..