Mary and (no) Joseph?

[Supernova]

An ancient thread definitely - altho I admit I have gone way back on this forum and read through the oldest posts. It would have been nice to have 'personally' known some of the members whose posts I've gained a lot of knowledge from.

btw, this is an interesting discussion I recently had with someone. Within the Islamic tradition, Maryam didn't really have a man taking care of her and providing for her throughout her pregnancy, someone correct me if I'm wrong but even when she left for a distant place to give birth she was on her own. She was provided for and protected solely by Allah swt. Now that is a pretty deep and thought-provoking testimony to her strength as a woman (to rely solely upon Allah swt and trust in Him) when one looks further into it.

Asalaamualaykum

On the statement that she left to distant land and gave birth is refuted within muslim scholars themselves.
1.
Certain scholars say that Hz Maryam, being given glad tidings that she is to have a son, then walked from her door to a tree which was very close by and gave gave birth immediately. What this really means is that the entire 9 months of chronological birth growth was accelerated within minutes and she gave birth. This is supported by the word in Quran "Kun" meaning that "something that happens very fast"
2.
Other scholars dispute this on the report that once when Hz Maryam was still pregnant with Hz Eesa, she was in the company of her sister - who at that time was pregnant with Hz YaYah. The report of this story goes as the following - at that time when both mothers were talking, The mother of Hz YaYah exclaimed and said the felt that her baby (Hz YaYah) made sujood whislt in her tummy towards Hz Eesa. The scholars explain that at time the sujood was not the sujood that we know of today but rather one of respect, not one of worship.

So basically there is ightilaaf on exactly where and when Hz Maryam gave birth.

All this information i have provided is in Ibn Khatir book "Stories of the prophets". [English]

I would highly recommend the unabridged version although it has become increasingly rare in the UK.

Most of his versions now in the UK are shortened only giving one opinion based on the bias of the translator.
Waslaam.

 

[talibilm]

The name of joseph, the Carpenter in the NT is an insertion , adulteration of the NT imho

It was Only Prophet Zakaria :AS: who took care of Mariam AS ( who was a niece i think) and was her guardian and Maternal or paternal Uncle which is seen from the verse where Zakaria :AS: asks Mariam AS when he sees fruits in the prayer chamber , and asks her where did she got those fruits (out of Season) from ??

She says Allah gave it and then Zakaria AS ( probably Zakaria thought when Allah could give a fruit out of season why not myself ? a white haired with an infertile old wife and ask dua for a son and the dua seen in sura Maryam) prays for a miraculous Child

http://legacy.quran.com/3/37-39
http://legacy.quran.com/19

This could be right since its was seen in our books that Zakaria AS was a carpenter ( which the NT claims too, a carpenter and also claims he was 93 and Mary was 12 ,) while Zakaria AS was well over 90 from our books too. but Naudhubillah he was just an uncle and guardian and nothing more than that . The Child who was miraculously born to Zakaria AS was John the baptist ( Yahya AS)

 

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The verse and its tafsir


http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...No=37&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2


(And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance) He was good to her and accepted her instead of accepting a boy (and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth) He nurtured her well in worship throughout the years, months, days and hours; (and made Zachariah her guardian) he joined her to him for training. (Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was) the room where she worshipped, (he found that she had food) the fruit of winter in the summer, such as culms of corn, and the fruits of summer in the winter such as grapes. (He said: O Mary! Whence cometh unto thee this (food)?) how did you get this food out of its season? (She answered: It is from Allah) Gabriel brought it to me. (Allah giveth without stint) without pause or measure (to whom He will) in its season or out of it.


http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=3&tAyahNo=44&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

(This) which I mentioned of the story of Mary and Zachariah (is of the tidings of things hidden) of the things that were unknown to you, O Muhammad. (We reveal it unto thee (Muhammad)) He says: We send Gabriel with it to you. (Thou wast not present with them) with the Rabbis (when they threw their pens) in the flow of water ((to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary) to train her, (nor wast thou present with them when they quarrelled (thereupon)) each giving argument for his better claim to be Mary's guardian.

 

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