Materialism?

[Snowflake]

I know what Iqbal bro is trying to say. For instance in pakistan for example, instead of promoting their own produced goods as 'pakistani', they are marketed as 'made in japan/china' blah blah blah. In effect they are demoting their own goods which are as good a quality as foreign goods.

I agree that overall muslims should work harder in the sense the bro explained. Muslims are extremely talented, but they've stopped improving themselves and resorted to buying/using from foreign means. We can do so much better and become totally self-sufficient.

 

[Malaikah]

they are marketed as 'made in japan/china' blah blah blah.

But almost everything I buy here is made in china too. ffended: And I don't live in a Muslim dominated country. :?

I agree that overall muslims should work harder in the sense the bro explained. Muslims are extremely talented, but they've stopped improving themselves and resorted to buying/using from foreign means. We can do so much better and become totally self-sufficient.

Don't you think places like Pakistan have a lot more important things to worry about than businesses and the like, and being self-sufficient (which we can never be btw, only Allah is self-sufficient)? I've heard that there is A LOT of major shirk going on in Pakistan, I'm not trying to be pick on that country, I know it happens in other places too but I'm just using this country as an example because you mentioned it... The scholars say that there is no excuse of ignorance for major shirk... which means we have people walking around acting like they are Muslims but in reality, they don't even realise they are mushriks! ffended:

I don't know, perhaps I am looking at this differently to people here, but I see plenty of Muslims obsessed with this kind of stuff already, and I would rather see more people obsessed with Islam... And I don't see the point of focusing on dominating industries and the like when the majority of Muslims haven't even understood Islam yet...

 

[Snowflake]

Malaikah;634391]

But almost everything I buy here is made in china too. ffended: And I don't live in a Muslim dominated country. :?

There's no great harm if the products are genuinely made in china. Pakistan has some great textile mills that produce gorgeous fabrics. But if you've been there like I have you'll see that retailers claim it to be made in japan/china.. anywhere but pakistan. That's what I think is wrong.

Don't you think places like Pakistan have a lot more important things to worry about than businesses and the like, and being self-sufficient (which we can never be btw,

I'm not saying there aren't other things to worry about but that trade and industry are important in any part of the world. They give the less privileged a chance to earn a living and in turn reduce crime committed due to poverty.

only Allah is self-sufficient)?

No doubt! But I meant in the industrial/economical sense.

I've heard that there is A LOT of major shirk going on in Pakistan, I'm not trying to be pick on that country, I know it happens in other places too but I'm just using this country as an example because you mentioned it... The scholars say that there is no excuse of ignorance for major shirk... which means we have people walking around acting like they are Muslims but in reality, they don't even realise they are mushriks! ffended:

I agree with you. If you read my post on the thread where scholars issued a fatwah on honour killings, you'd notice that I said scholars actively need to spread Islam and educate people, and not dish out fatwahs alone.

I don't know, perhaps I am looking at this differently to people here, but I see plenty of Muslims obsessed with this kind of stuff already, and I would rather see more people obsessed with Islam... And I don't see the point of focusing on dominating industries and the like when the majority of Muslims haven't even understood Islam yet...

I am not suggesting we should become materially obsessed either. Without islam as the foundation, nothing reaches it's true potential, because the decay of corruption soon eats away the achievements. All I am saying is that as far Pakistan is concerned:

a) it should promote it's own produce and not be ashamed of it
b) set up a tax system and fund education, medical facilities, research and technology
c) encourage people to set up industries/businesses in pakistan rather than abroad to provide jobs for the poor
d) allow scholars to set Islamic guidelines in all affairs of management

I know without implementing islam, Pakistan (or any country) will never improve as a people. This is evident from looking at 'advanced' non muslim countries where people remain as morally/socially corrupted as muslims who are ignorant of islam. That is not the kind of improvement I'm suggesting.

 

[Malaikah]

There's no great harm if the products are genuinely made in china. Pakistan has some great textile mills that produce gorgeous fabrics. But if you've been there like I have you'll see that retailers claim it to be made in japan/china.. anywhere but pakistan. That's what I think is wrong.

LOL! That is so weird. :uuh:

I agree with the rest of your post. :shade:

 

[Snowflake]

^lol tell me about it.. it's so obvious when they do that. I'm like errr.. as long as I like it, I'd still buy it even if you say it's made in Pakistan! lol

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:threadclo

No, i'm joking. Please keep on topic though!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Yeh, I can, in fact the Muslims run the best industry of all: Islam. :thumbs_up

You said it right. They've made an industry out of Islam as well. Look who is getting the material profit from this industry. For example all the money Muslims spend in Haj go to big corporations of USA who invested heavily in developing the modern Haj facilities, in air lines for transporting the pilgrims, in the five star hotels of Mecca and madina etc. On top of all their profit, the profit share of the Saudis is also deposited in the western Banks.

It's only a part of the solution that some Muslims own industries and businesses in Muslim or non-Muslim countries. But the real problem is that the best assets of Muslims (which is the educated class) is serving in the west of or the western industries. Also the industries and businesses owned by Muslims are only the branches or subsideries of the western businesses. They benefit more from those industries than the Muslims. Also the profit which Muslim owners get from their businesses and indsutries is not spent on the common Muslims. They only spend a very small part of it on promoting some religious factions of their own choice. That might give them a peace of mind but that certainly doesn't solve the economic or material problems of common Muslims at all. That only caused an irrecoverable brain damage to the educated Muslim class. Now, every educated Muslim has been involved in doing Allah, Allah, but they've to look towards the west for the economic problems. The educated Muslim brains cannot work to solve their economic problems without west.