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But Christianity was touched on. They repeatedly made clear and specific Christian references even when it was not necessary - to the guy's Father for instance. They left you in no doubt about the Christian nature of the attack. As for these other cases, well, who knows? It is unlikely that a crack smoker in London who happens to be of Muslim origin has a religious motivation I will grant you. And yet the media is very careful not to suggest he does. But the Muslims who kidnapped, tortured and murdered a Jew in Paris had one. And yet Islam was not touched on either. This woman I mentioned above was making bombs. I do not know her motivation, but experience suggests that perhaps she had something else going on as well. Australia is not, I would think, a place where many bombs get made.

I can bring articles where prejudice is exhibited if you like, perhaps even for the same stories you have brought forward. Just need to spend some time with Google. :D.

Because it isn't. There are no verses in the Bible that say that and there is much in the New Testament and more so in Church law that specifically say the opposite - marriage in Christianity requires a clear and specific statement of informed consent from both parties which can only be given by an adult.

Actually the Bible never outlines the conditions of marriage as you have described, however I am certain that it DOESN'T teach the abuse of young males. The point is rather that people are not taking the actions of a large number of Priests as being the status-quo of Christianity. Whereas the same is done for Islam.
 
I can bring articles where prejudice is exhibited if you like, perhaps even for the same stories you have brought forward. Just need to spend some time with Google. :D.

Please do.

Actually the Bible never outlines the conditions of marriage as you have described, however I am certain that it DOESN'T teach the abuse of young males. The point is rather that people are not taking the actions of a large number of Priests as being the status-quo of Christianity. Whereas the same is done for Islam.

Well it makes it pretty clear something is going on, but mostly it is, I would have to agree, commentary on the NT and Canon Law. Actually a large number of people do take the behaviour of those priests as commentary on Christianity. Someone said here the other day that this shows Christianity was wrong. Where does anyone take the same for Islam? Would you agree that there are Islamic, or perhaps Muslim cultural, elements to what is going on? Head-chopping for instance seems mostly confined to certain number of well-defined religiously-oriented groups. Why do you think they do it? It has nothing to do with what they are taught in their equivalent of Sunday school?
 
Salam.

Someone said here the other day that this shows Christianity was wrong. Where does anyone take the same for Islam?

I've heard people say similar things quite often in the media (mainly newspaper columnists).

Would you agree that there are Islamic, or perhaps Muslim cultural, elements to what is going on? Head-chopping for instance seems mostly confined to certain number of well-defined religiously-oriented groups.

Head chopping and Christianity go together hand in hand. Have you not read British history? For a period of about 300 years, all they did was chop heads off. Protestants, Catholics, Witches, you name it, it probably got chopped.

Why do you think they do it? It has nothing to do with what they are taught in their equivalent of Sunday school?

Why the Priests abuse children? Perhaps celibacy.
 
Head chopping and Christianity go together hand in hand. Have you not read British history? For a period of about 300 years, all they did was chop heads off. Protestants, Catholics, Witches, you name it, it probably got chopped.

Come on. That's not fair. They burnt them at the stake. Completely different.

Why the Priests abuse children? Perhaps celibacy.

Perhaps although by all accounts Pakistani madrassas are just as bad (and Protestants are supposed to have even higher rates). But who knows?

Another story. Spot the word "Muslim".

Sydney shootings up to 22
By Les Kennedy and David Braithwaite
March 30, 2006 - 5:44PM


· Shooting victim due to marry on Sunday
· Victim had concealed gun
· Fenech tells of 'special' boxer
· Stabbing and drugs in dead men's past
· Crowd hampered police after shootings
· Fibro home peppered with bullets
· Sydney's 22nd shooting incident this year

Police patrols will be stepped up around a western Sydney suburb after two men were gunned down in the street last night.

NSW Police Commissioner Ken Moroney called a top-level meeting following the double murder and nearby drive-by shooting - bringing the number of shootings in Sydney this year to 22.

It emerged that one of two young men gunned down in Blaxcell Street, Granville was due to be married on Sunday, and that Guantanamo Bay inmate Mamdouh Habib had been quizzed by police and released.

Natalie Azar, 18, said she heard the man who died in hospital was getting married on the weekend.

"I spoke to the (dead) bloke's sister that died and she had no idea what had happened.''

"She said that she'd just come from Melbourne for her brother's wedding.''

Ms Azar said that the dead man's little brother had to be held down by police, screaming "tell me the name of who died''.

Ms Azar said that when the sister found about her brother's death she was taken the hospital and was hysterical.

Victim a 'special' boxer: Fenech

Champion boxer Jeff Fenech said one of the dead men was Bassam Chami, a 26-year-old boxer of Lebanese descent who turned professional last year and had been unbeaten in the three fights he had so far.

Mr Fenech said Chami, of Granville, was a "great kid" with "more potential than any kid I've seen for a long long time''.

He said Chami trained at Billy Hussein's boxing gym and that he had been keeping an eye on Chami for at least a year.

"I told [his coach Hussein] the first time I seen the kid he was very, very special.

"I [also] pointed him out to Johnny Lewis. I said, 'Have you seen this kid fight? He's got enormous potential.

"I seen a kid that probably had more potential than any kid I've seen for a long long time.''

Chami recently participated in a debate on the Cronulla riots, saying he believed that sport kept "his boys'' out of trouble.

Victim convicted of manslaughter

It is understood he had a conviction for the manslaughter of a man stabbed to death in an altercation in an Auburn hotel around seven years ago.

The other victim was a 26-year-old Auburn man who had drug convictions.

Assistant Commissioner State Crime Command Graeme Morgan said: "In this case we don't believe shots were fired from a passing motor vehicle, we believe they were fired after a confrontation in the street.''

Mr Morgan said that one of the men was carrying a pistol but it had not been used.

Victim had concealed gun

He said the dead man's gun was "concealed and wrapped''.

The victims did not live at the house where the shooting happened and police don't yet know what they were doing there.

Mr Morgan said that due to the seriousness of the offence, the State Crime Command had been immediately put on notice.

The investigation is being led by the homicide squad, assisted by Task Force Gain and local police.

Mr Morgan said that there has been "22 discharges of firearms in public places'' this year and that the bulk has been in south-west Sydney.

He said that there were obvious links between thee shootings to indicate an outbreak of gang warfare.

He confirmed that former Guantanamo Bay inmate Mamdouh Habib had been spoken to by police but said that Mr Habib was not suspected of involvement in any culpable way in what took place last night.

Firemen hosed blood and fuel from the road before three vehicles - including a BMW and a Tarago - were towed away. Police said the fuel tank of one of the cars was ruptured by a bullet.

Habib questioned till dawn

Mamdouh Habib was questioned by police until around dawn after reportedly being stopped as he drove past the shooting scene in Blaxcell Street.

Police say a crowd of 200 people hampered their investigation after the shootings around 11.15pm.

Raul Bassi, who campaigned for Mr Habib's release when he was held as a terrorist suspect at Guantanamo Bay detention facility, said: "It seems like police think Mamdouh was a witness or something."

Police said two people had been arrested for disobeying directions but were released without charge later in the night.

Regularly chatted outside home

A Blaxcell Street resident said the dead men had been standing with a group of other men when the gunmen drove up and opened fire.

The resident, identified only as Peter, said: "Talk among neighbours was that a white Celica had been cruising past the location for the past week checking out the two dead men and their friends who regularly stood outside one of the homes chatting in the evening.''

Dana Awny, 43, who lives in the street, said: "I heard the commotion and went to have a look. I asked what was going on and heard there was one killed, one injured.''

Mr Awny said that there were "at least one to two hundred people there'' - mainly of young men.

"One young fellow was crying - he said to the police that his friend had been killed," he told smh.com.au.

People arguing and shouting

"There were people arguing and shouting with the police so they called for more cops and pushed the people away.''

Mr Awny said some of the young men were "on the phone calling people and by the second people would just come - they were saying 'come, someone just got killed.'''

Sue, 46, lives in a nearby street said "it's scary, very scary''.

"It's not safe around anymore. My kids are not allowed to go across the fence unless I'm watching.''

Neighbour tells of disturbances

Neighbour Warren Stevens, 51, said he heard the gunshots as he lay in bed trying to sleep.

"I was in bed, tossing and turning for about an hour, and then these four or five loud pops [occurred in] rapid succession.''

"There was no squeal of tires or anything like that [but] my wife [did hear] a car take off.''

Mr Stevens said the shooting didn't surprise him.

"If I was going to put money on which house would ... have something like this happen to it, I would have had money on that house...

"People turning up with cars late at night, burn outs, squeelies, what have you. Firecrackers going off late at night, I do mean firecrackers as opposed to firearms.''

He said he is now concerned for the safety of his family.

"The shots were aimed at one house, not ours [but] it doesn't take much for a bullet to ricochet.''

He said Railway Street was a typical suburban area, with little problems with crime up until now.

"We get your occasional suburban problems, house break-ins and what have you, but nothing of this nature, of shots being fired.''

Shot dead on road

Granville police Inspector Gary Sims said when police arrived they discovered the first man dead on the road.

"(The second man) was slumped over on the footpath not far away and the ambulance were quickly on the scene and conveyed him to hospital," he said.

Insp Sims said police did not believe the shooting was linked to a driveby shooting in Railway Street in the nearby suburb of Guildford less than three hours later.

Fibro home peppered with bullets

A single-storey fibro house was peppered with 14 gunshots at 1.45am, but the man, woman and three children inside escaped uninjured.


In the second shooting incident, two adults and three children in a house in Guildford escaped unharmed when several shots were fired into their home about 1.45am (AEDT).

A neighbour, Mick, said he was woken by gunshots.

''I just heard what appeared to be gun shots at 1.30 in the morning. I was lying in my bed. In the first session there was about three or four shots I think and about five seconds later I heard another three or four shots...

"Then I heard a car accelerate and I just lay in my bed listening to the noise and a little while later I saw blue and red flashing lights and I came out.''

He said he had lived in the street six years with his wife and children.

Drug activity

"The whole street has turned to water in the past two and a half years. It's what I think is drug activity in the neighbourhood and a few undesirables walking about.''

Insp Simms said people were justifiably concerned about gun crime.

"Sydneysiders have a right to feel concerned about violence on the streets but when you look at the response that has been provided there is great efforts being taken to investigate these matters," he said.

"Everyone is working together for a positive outcome."

- with Jano Gibson and AAP
 
And, in passing, here is an interesting story. I do not know what the religious beliefs of these men are. I am sure it will be brought up soon. Who would like to take a guess?

Four arrested at hospital under Terror Act
(Filed: 30/03/2006)

Four men have been arrested at a Staffordshire hospital under the Terrorism Act.


Police detained the men after firearms officers were called to Stafford District General Hospital.

The four are being held at a police station in the county.

A fifth man who was being treated at the hospital was moved to another hospital for specialist treatment.

A spokeswoman for Staffordshire Police said: "At approximately 9.45pm last night four men were arrested at Stafford District General Hospital under the Terrorism Act 2000 as a result of information received.

"They were arrested by officers from the force's incident management unit which included some specialist firearms officers.

"The men are now in custody at police stations in Staffordshire.

"A fifth man was receiving treatment at Stafford District General Hospital and has now been transferred to another hospital for similar treatment."​
 
this thread is stupid.are we having a competition of some sort?Did Muslims commit more crimes than Christians and vice versa?Childish.
 
this thread is stupid.are we having a competition of some sort?Did Muslims commit more crimes than Christians and vice versa? Childish.

(Small changes made to the format of the above post)

I don't think it is totally stupid. The claim is not about how many crimes were committed by each faith community, but over claims of bias in the media. It is a frequent claim around here that the media is biased against Muslims and will always mention "Muslims" or "Islam" where possible, and where in a similar situation they would not mention "Christians" or "Christianity", specifically to make Muslims look bad. I maintain this is not true or fair, or at least is not always true and not very fair. The Western media tries to be sensitive and tries to avoid doing exactly what it is claimed they do. Given the frequency with which this claim is made and the passion it generates, I think it is important to make it clear this is not the case.
 
Well you can say these articles do not prove anything. Of course anyone can hand pick articles to suit their argument then make a conclusion. That would be impossible to do unless we had all news articles, reports and everything we had in the media. We obviously cant do that. Either side can claim the opposite thing but in the end, it is a matter of opinion not fact.
 
Well you can say these articles do not prove anything. Of course anyone can hand pick articles to suit their argument then make a conclusion. That would be impossible to do unless we had all news articles, reports and everything we had in the media. We obviously cant do that. Either side can claim the opposite thing but in the end, it is a matter of opinion not fact.

Actually it is me that has the problem - I can provide any number of articles that treat Muslims sensitively, but ultimately I can't prove the media is perfect unless I post every single article every published anywhere. The other side of this argument has an easier time because they only have to post one. Have they? The first article clearly did not do what was claimed for it. Not another since.

What I can do is point out how often the media is not too bad.
 
I disagree because there are millions of articles not tens. So like I said, it is an opinion.
You should also know that it does not take much to actually get Muslims or Islam in the minds of people. In fact, at the moment all you need to say is terrorist and people would think Muslim. So basically it is not as simple as you make it to be.
 
I disagree because there are millions of articles not tens. So like I said, it is an opinion.

I agree that I would have to produce every single article every published to make my point. Which is unreasonable. But it is odd that no one has been willing to produce even a single article that makes the claims made for them.

You should also know that it does not take much to actually get Muslims or Islam in the minds of people. In fact, at the moment all you need to say is terrorist and people would think Muslim. So basically it is not as simple as you make it to be.

I wonder why that might be. Might it, perhaps, be because so many of the terrorists in the world in the last 30 years have not been Buddhist?
 

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