What about the US and NATO busy dropping 1000 kgs bombs on civilians, as was done by the Israel in Lebanon, last year :embarrass
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What about the US and NATO busy dropping 1000 kgs bombs on civilians, as was done by the Israel in Lebanon, last year :embarrass
Suomipoika
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When in doubt, switch discussion to Israel.
Also, you should read this really good post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/54678-brits-kick-out-child-cremators.html#post880472
so why not admit that afghans are being punished to please the public who wanted revenge for the murders committed by saudi terrorists in usa instead of all this [edit] about helping afghan kids and women against them there evil taliban?
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Suomipoika
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Because its not and never was meant as collectively punishing afghans. Its just another [edit] twist of words against the USA and evil west.
Helping afghan civilians against Taleban ended up being one of the positive by-products, but its by no means the reason why anyone sent troops there. The reason why USA is in Afghanistan was that the people who attacked USA were protected by the Taleban, not by the Saudis.
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I always find it interesting when people look for some thing more evil to justify evil.
i said nothing of the sort...
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Right, so lets say we are having a conversation about Saddam Hussain.
I point out his slaughter of 350000 of his own people still under the desert sands. I say that the man was evil and disgusting.
You respond with " Ahh! But Hitler was WORSE!"
It's a really bad analogy, because Saddam is still a muslim, so you probably like him, and Hitler killed 6 million jews, (which you may think is wonderful....unless it's being used to boost sympathy for Iseral....In which case it diddnt happen!)
All you have to say here is "Yeah, sure, Killing kids deliberatly is not nice...it may be even a bit evil. I know that the Taliban love a bit of Flogging and beheading for no good reason, and I'm not in support of it
Regardless, The US and UK dropping 1000 lb bombs on military targets is utterly different from a crazed quran weilding lunatic blowing up schoolkids Deliberatly. Or indeed flying a few planes into buildings.
I have no doubts that The US has killed many civilians since 2001. I also have no doubts that they have tried to target those who they are fighting rather than just deliberatly killing the innocent.
This is something that you can never beleive because of a lifeime of being taught to hate us.
We dont hate you though...heck..the christians even LOVE you! Which is a bit gay to be honest , but theyre all actually really nice.
Take a step back from your hate, and look at the reasons for your troubles.
are you certain you meant to quote me? none of the things you are writing about applies to who i am or what i said...
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The problem with the Taliban is that tragic birthmark they have. Their support for OBL makes them a target for the Right...their abyssmal treatment of women makes them a target for feminists and the Right....forcing medical students to amputate the hands of thieves in front of a crowd...oh dear....publicly shooting women in the back of the head with an assault rifle in the middle of a soccer stadium....ouch...and then there is the blowing up the Buddhist statue thing. That was the single greatest PR blunder of this century. Roll all this together and, for "Westerners", you have almost a caricature of evil. The poor dears really have nothing going for them West of the Bosporous. At least, with the Nazis, you could make the arguement that they dressed well.
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The Taliban have horses....and that gives them a certain "Medevial charm".
They will also have support from liberals who will scream "Troops out of Wherever" until they are calling for English troops to get out of Aldershot.
They also have the support of muslims who , no matter what the taliban do, how bad they are, they will either keep quiet, (as they did with Saddam) or support them, because they are Brothers being attacked by Godless scum.
They will also have support from liberals who will scream "Troops out of Wherever" until they are calling for English troops to get out of Aldershot.
They also have the support of muslims who , no matter what the taliban do, how bad they are, they will either keep quiet, (as they did with Saddam) or support them, because they are Brothers being attacked by Godless scum.
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Good point. I forgot about the horses.
There is that small "war is not the answer" crowd who advocate meditation and pyramid power to solve all conflicts but we don't really hear too much "US out of Afghanistan" stuff in the US. In fact, the Left, in order to not appear to be peaceniks, often advocate a withdrawl from Iraq so we can fight the "real war" in Afghnistan.
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Of course. I did say West of the Bosporous. :smile:
but aren't you kind of hyperbolating small minorities... i don't think that the numbers of liberals who are simply antiwar, or the numbers of muslims who simply support people because they are muslim are significant enough that they have an effect on anything in the long run... i don't know... because i can't quantify either group... but it seems intuitive to me.
also, isn't that kind of slipping right back into the mentality that the taliban are drones (rather than people) mindlessly killing out of hatred, rather than people fighting pragmatically and motivated by principle (as the youtube video indicated)?
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They are motivated by a principle alright...kill anyone who defies their version of Islamic rule.
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who ever thought they were mindless drones in the first place?
Right – and as we see with such regularity, the most numerous victims of the Taliban's totalitarian ideology are other muslims. If the consequences weren’t so dreadful it would be laughable to watch the defenders of the Taliban falling over themselves in a headlong rush to defend the indefensible..
I’d suggest to the “Talibums”; Let go of fear make a stand before God responsible for your actions, take responsibility and start thinking for yourselves, go back to first principles of right and wrong, take an objective look at all the world of mankind and how your ideologically sanctioned destruction of it is contrary to any principle of morality.
I might have used; full-blown whacked out, over the rainbow, ain't comin' back loopy… but OK… Medevial charm™ … we’ll go with that.
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