Men and Women Equality

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right now, u cant really say that the jews and the christians are the people of the book because it is known that the christians have changed their book and the jews have changed their book too, so where are the people of the book? the muslims haven't changed their book, never, and it never will be changed.
and i do know only about the christians why they changed their book, it was at the time of the Romans, when the Romans were ruling. that was the time when prophet Esa/jesus was teaching about Islam. when he was RISEN up to the Heavens, the roman empire's ruler got control for the bible and whatever he didnt like in the bible, he took it out and whatever he thought was good, he put in the bible. and then there were was Paul and the other people with their own bibles which became confusing. and thats how it was changed.
i dont know about the book of the jews which, at that time, was prophet Musa but they did change their book.
 
rph105 said:
But then why cant muslim women marry men of the book, even if he treats her like a muslim man would treat a woman?
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aqeedah, and oneness of Allah is very important in Islam,

in short, i would say that in marriage, husband is the leader.
and even marry with ahl kitab, muslim man, must educate his children with islamic rules, religion, aqeedah, and everything about islam... and make them a muslim (at least give them education about islam)

different thing will happen when the father is ahl kitab, he must want his children to be an ahl kitab just like him...
 
umar113 said:
but one question, are the jews and the christians, NOW, really the people of the book?
the jews changed their book and so did the christians, so who are the people of the book when the books are CHANGED?
the Qur'an hasn't been changed a bit, so we are the poeple of the book.
you know what i mean??
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:sl: Akhi they are Ahlul-kitab because those books: 1) Taurat to Prophet Musa (Moses, as):2) Zaboor (Psalms) To Prophet Dawood (David, as); 3) Injeel (Gospel) To Prophet Isa (Jesus, as); 4) Qur'an To Prophet Muhammad (saw) were originally sent down by Allaah Ta'ala as well to spread his message of monotheism. Evidently, the people changed the books and the only unchanged book is the Quraan. Those books were corrupted, but they were originally on the right path until they let their nafs (whims, desires and soul) take over them which led to the books being corrupted and changed to whatever they believed was right. But it's not the case with Islaam, we are Muslims, so we submit or surrender to the will of our creator Allaah Ta'ala. We live by the commandments of Allaah, and our deen or way of life, not by whatever we please because we were created for a purpose. And Muslim men can even marry Ahlul-kitab, but I am not sure about the conditions though.
 
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umar113 said:
but one question, are the jews and the christians, NOW, really the people of the book?
the jews changed their book and so did the christians, so who are the people of the book when the books are CHANGED?
the Qur'an hasn't been changed a bit, so we are the poeple of the book.
you know what i mean??
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yes they are ahl kitab as Allah mentioned in Quran...

in Prophet era, Jews and Christians, most of them has already changed their book..but Allah and His propet called them Ahl Kitab..

Allah called Christian and Jew as Ahl Kitab in quran al kareem, so they are Ahl kitab not us...is that clear? :statisfie
 
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Why men can do things women can't do?

And who told you what a man does - is better?

This is a huge problem of european mentality. People here try to define a woman's value in reference to men. It is like - masculinity is a STANDARD and femininity is something that's beeing compared to it. Islam does't make women refer to men in defining their value - it makes you refer to God.

An example? A women dresses nicely - is she be more happy if her mom says she looks nice or when a man says she's hot?

Women tend go get menly in everything or they want men to apperciate them. It's epidemic. It's a sick mentality. And this is a degradation of women to a status of a toy. All here is about men! You say this is equality?

If a man cuts his hair to 0,5cm - a women has to do it too, otherwise if she doesn't do it or feel she can do it, she will feel less valuable and she will feel she doesn't share the same rights.

Oh.. the key word... "the same" rights. Men and women, are NOT THE SAME. Differen't body, different phisiology and psychology (you can read books about brain sex, you will know). The fact that they are not the same, doesn't mean they are not equal in front of God. They are different, and their difference is beautiful. But we unfortunatelly live in a culture who suggests us that what is womenly is less valuable by nature.

So here they are these poor feminists, who think that working 15h in an office is better than raising an new fundament of society. Please...

Exapmle? Three women meet after 10 years. "What are you doing now?" asks one. "Oh, I am working in this huge company" and the other says "I am looking after my children". Who will get more appertiation in a western society?

That's why dear friend, the fact that a girl wears hijab is not inferior to a fact that a man is not obliged to wear it. And the opposite, the fact that a women is obliged to wear it is not better than not wearing it by men. Beause there's simply nothing to compare. We are different, so trying to compare males and females is like comparing poetry and prose. Again - in islam masculinity is not a standard and femininity a.. deviation. Both are good, both have their good points.

(ok now my provate opinion.. Im so proud im a muslim women, I pity u men :D :P)
 
rph105 said:
I'm a christian male, 19 years old, just seeking some knowledge in islam, mainly about equality, i've heard islam states men and women are equal, but why can muslim men get married to non-muslim women and not the other way round?

ok they say tht a muslim man is the role model of the family and will bring up the children as gd muslims, why cant the mother be a role model?
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So called equality meant in terms of respect and dignity.

functionally both are not same (read biologically) and designed to perform different functions.

God's point of view on functions of living beings is about sustenance of that biological group. To give humans a quality life, he made animals in various forms, you know why god is so cruel in making wild animals which can kill humans, just to keep human away from forest so that human doesnot consume forest just like that. see how intelligent HE is and he has removed all those dinousaurs, and those things human cannot confront.

So your point of view on equality, like male & female equally sitting together to watch movies, restaurant, beaches are of small things, women working together with men,blah blah blah. you think you are giving equality to women by publishing their naked photographs and movies,
how shame why dont men appear nude in same numbers as women. where is your equality here. you may find the above statement of no importance or of small thing. same way what ever idea western world have on equality of women is of small thing.

direct answer to your question will be, generally male are less owning of anything than female. if suppose a female is married to many men ( a hypo thetical situation), if suppose that female get pregnant who will be the father of the child. no men will come forward and take owner ship of the child (because men are designed that way). to avoid that confrontation & for accountability women are not permitted to marry more than one men at a time. if men are not designed that way, god would have permitted such thing (let god save us from such nasty things)
 
rph105 said:
I'm a christian male, 19 years old, just seeking some knowledge in islam, mainly about equality, i've heard islam states men and women are equal, but why can muslim men get married to non-muslim women and not the other way round?

ok they say tht a muslim man is the role model of the family and will bring up the children as gd muslims, why cant the mother be a role model?[/QUOTE]

Ok, basically NO muslim [men or woman] can marry
a non muslim [women or men]. islam believes in the tradinoal way of
life for families for an example the muslim man is supposed to provide finacialy
for the family. the muslim woman [if she choses] can stay at home and basically be a good housewife, for a example take care of the home and children while also cook for the family. BUT if the woman doesnt want to be a
housewife and wants to work, then she can. but this has conditions, if she choses to work, she will have to chose a job that is a job that doesnt involve anything haram [forbidden]. Hope dis helped!:)
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sur said:
a very good reply.

I'd like to add little more on WHY men can/want-to marry >1:-

"sexual DESIRE" also called 'Libido" is directly proportional to "Testosterone" level in BOTH males & females. So female sexual desire is also dependant on testosterone(male hormone) & NOT on estrogen/progesterone(female hormones).
Testosterone-Patches & sprays r available for frigid FEMALEs with decreased Libido problems.& Testosterone is also called Female Viagra.


Testosterone level Ranges:
Males:300-1000 ng/dl
Females:20-80 ng/dl


Suppose If a male has minimum level(300) within normal range & a female has Max. level(80) within normal range, even then the ratio will be almost 4:1 So a weakest-normal male has 4 times the desire to have sex than a strongest-normal female & that is why creator of all males & females has permitted 4 marriages for males.

While if both have average levels then male:female is 10-15 times. So an average male has 10-15 times more desire to have sex than an av female.
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Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say this or even touch upon it.

For heaven's sake, it's not always about sex! If that were the case men would be ORDERED to marry more than one to avoid having affairs. That is NOT the case. And, in fact, is the exact opposite!! The Qur'an says IF YOU CANNOT DEAL JUSTLY WITH THEM THEN MARRY ONLY ONE.

Why does everything seem to turn into it being about sex!!?? It makes us sound like a bunch of bloody rabbits in spring time!! :enough!:

Hana
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
then let it be legalized in parts of the world where it is available.
and anyway, a woman can choose to have a baby with just one of her husbands - by practicing save sex with the others.
So children are not an issue.
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The Pen has been lifted and the ink has dried.... No one can legalize what Islam has forbidden for muslims.
 
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why can a muslim man have more than one wife, and not a muslim woman?
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why can muslim men get married to non-muslim women and not the other way round?
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Well, really it isn't hard to figure either one out if you reflect on it for a moment.

But, before I comment on either issue specifically, it is worth reflecting for a moment on the distinction between procedural and substantive equality and what Islam teaches with respect to gender equality - both of which I discussed in this article here:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/458/viewall/

We have discussed both of these questions before on the forum (as with practically every question); see the link posted by Eve Persephone for one example. Nevertheless, since the comments are dispersed in various locations, I thought it might be worthwhile to briefly summarize some of the answers in one place.

So first, the question of why Islam allows polygynous relationships (in a restricted manner) but categorically forbids polyandrous relationships. Well the underlying presumption behind this question is that the two types of relationships are comparable. But the reality is that a polygynous relationship differs fundamentally from a polyandrous relationship in numerous ways and hence one cannot be equated with the other:
1. It is quite feasible for every partner in a polygynous relationship to have a child without placing all the burden on one individual. In order for every partner in a polyandrous relationship to have a child, this would place undue physical hardship on the sole woman who would be continuously pregnant. Men can sire multiple children in one year, whereas women cannot.

2. Furthermore, nursing one's child limits fertility. The polyandrous woman would also not be available to her spouses at times due to monthly periods. A polygynous male on the other hand is capable of spending one day/night with each spouse and alternating in a fair and equitable manner.

3. Women and children are physically and psychologically more vulnerable to abuse than men. Islam came to safeguard the rights of women and children and ensure that they are not placed in a situation where they will be taken advantage of or mistreated. Trying to maintain a relationship with four men would most likely lead to such a treatment.

4. A father can never match the love a mother has for her child or the care she provides, and women will always be superior to men in this regard. Thus, it places the children of a polyandrous relationship at a disadvantage to be raised with substandard love and care, or to receive less attention from their mother.

5. Males in a polyandrous relationship would most likely fight for dominance and control; research shows that men are quicker to aggression and more likely to express their aggression in physical ways than females. Suddenly, this does not sound like such a happy family.

6. Women in a polygynous relationship accrue benefit as the man is obligated to spend (and spend fairly) on all of his wives. Men in a polyandrous relationship accrue no such benefit, nor do they have any reason to remain in such a relationship. In fact, with all the excess burdens placed on a woman in such a relationship she probably has enough of a struggle trying to build any career or engage in other activities outside the home.

7. Confusing the genealogical relationship of the children, except through DNA testing.
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There are probably many more reasons one could think of, and you can read some similar comments here:
http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=376&main_cat_id=17


With regard to why a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, there are numerous clear and obvious wisdoms. A Muslim man has so many obligations towards his wife and Islam seeks to ensure that those obligations are honored. Muslims are required to follow the lofty example of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh who emphasized good character, mercy, compassion, honesty and other virtues tremendously. As well, there is the requirement to abstain from foul speech, losing one's temper, backbiting, and numerous other social and spiritual ills. A person who does not subscribe to the same faith has no reason to honor such virtues and thus, it places the woman in a situation of vulnerability. Islam has accorded the mother a higher status of respect than the father, and this needs to be recognized and honored.

There are so many other wisdoms you could list here as well, but this should be sufficient to illustrate the point.

By the way, I don't frequent the forums often anymore (as most of you probably already know) so don't be surprised if I don't respond soon to questions/comments on my posts.

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