Middle East Influence in Bosnia

[renak]

Bosnia is considered European, but Bosnia's futute is not in Europe but within a united Islamic caliphate. Honestly there are problems with Muslims from Bosnia as there are from other countries. Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in my view do not practice Islam that was practiced by the Sahabba or even to to what mainstream sunni states is Islam. Even though most Bosniaks are sunni they are increasingly secular from my experiences and that is unfortunate. In my view many Muslims around the world today are not practising Islam as the Sahabba and the Prophet Muhammad sallahu alahiwa salaam. If we were Islam would be dominate force in the world but rather Muslims are being humiliated. Until Muslims unite under one common banner then none of us can state that we practice Islam properly. Bosnaiks, Chechens and others honestly do not have a strong knowledge base of Islam, all they may know is La Illaha Illallah Muhmmadur Rasullah. Authentic knowledge is important to convey in Bosnia and Muslims from Saudi can and shoul do it. there is only one form of Islam that will be accepted at the is Islam that Prophet and his Sahaaba were on. That is the Islam that needs to be conveyed in Bosnia and elsewhere not wahabbism, sunniam, shiaism, sufism, or whatever the Islam of the Prophet is our solution.

I appreciate your explanation. However, Bosnia is currently European, and the Muslims in this region are being influenced by the Saudi presence. This should not be forgotten by people who are quick to take up arms and/or slander Western nations, influencing the Middle East.

 

[vpb]

Before - Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are the same ethnic groups. Only religions make them different from each others.

Bosnians say that they are not slavs.

 

[samobosna96]

It must not also be forgotten that this Europe you speak of allowed Muslims to be slaughtered in Srebrenica. This Europe turned its back on Bosnia and Saudi's rushed to support the Muslims of Bosnia while the west looked on, as the UN enforced an illegal arms embargo, while the US sold weapons to all sides. Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

 

[Ghazi]

It must not also be forgotten that this Europe you speak of allowed Muslims to be slaughtered in Srebrenica. This Europe turned its back on Bosnia and Saudi's rushed to support the Muslims of Bosnia while the west looked on, as the UN enforced an illegal arms embargo, while the US sold weapons to all sides. Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

Salaam

Whats the situation in bosina right now, is there jihad going on.

 

[renak]

It must not also be forgotten that this Europe you speak of allowed Muslims to be slaughtered in Srebrenica. This Europe turned its back on Bosnia and Saudi's rushed to support the Muslims of Bosnia while the west looked on, as the UN enforced an illegal arms embargo, while the US sold weapons to all sides. Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

Yes, this is terrible. However, there were many cases of atrocities being carried out on Serbs.

 

[samobosna96]

"Whats the situation in bosina right now, is there jihad going on."


Myself I am Canada however I do have knowledge what it is like for my familiy in Bosnia. The atmosphere is one of uneasiness. There is no raging conflict like it was in the 90's. But there are sporadic killings, crime is high and so is unemployment. War can break out at any moment. the peace to many seems to be one based on falsehoods and there is grwing resentment towwads the partioning of Bosnia by the dayton accords. the talks in kosovo going on now about soverignty have the potential to bring war to the entire region again. if the kosovars get indepednce the serbs will respond with force and if the kosovars do not they were will be rioting, God forbid. in my opinion we will see war by the end of this decade God forbid.

For most Bosnians irrespective of religion the war does not seem to be over but what is called a "fake peace". God willing though it be peaceful, and not marred by violence again.

 

[samobosna96]

"there were many cases of atrocities being carried out on Serbs"


I really do not think Muslims systematically elimated a people as great as the serbs. by stating such remarks you are lessening the reality of what Milsoveic, may Allah curse him, aided by the west did. Did Muslims commit war crimes, maybe, probably. however Muslims were responding to outright aggression and have the God given right to retaliate, but within the limitiations. there is no room for transgressing the limits but resistance is a right.

 

[Genius]

Islam is good for Bosnia, whether it's wahhabi or sufi or whatever.

 

[renak]

"there were many cases of atrocities being carried out on Serbs"


I really do not think Muslims systematically elimated a people as great as the serbs. by stating such remarks you are lessening the reality of what Milsoveic, may Allah curse him, aided by the west did. Did Muslims commit war crimes, maybe, probably. however Muslims were responding to outright aggression and have the God given right to retaliate, but within the limitiations. there is no room for transgressing the limits but resistance is a right.

I've read many books on this war, know Serbs actually in Yugo at the time, and continue to research the conflict. Many Serbs would argue that they were defending themselves from years of Muslim abuses. Many of these accusations are documented. Basically, I think both sides are pretty much equal in their transgressions, and atrocities. In addition, there really seems to be no initial "instigator". Do a search on the internet, or at your local library.

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Bosnians say that they are not slavs.

Not the ones I know!

It must not also be forgotten that this Europe you speak of allowed Muslims to be slaughtered in Srebrenica. This Europe turned its back on Bosnia and Saudi's rushed to support the Muslims of Bosnia while the west looked on, as the UN enforced an illegal arms embargo, while the US sold weapons to all sides. Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

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I think it is funny how muslims pick and choose (and complain) which orgies of violence they wish the west to help them fight in. Even though Bosnia IS "the west", the whole ummah would have either overlooked or whinned about more european involvement in that conflict, never mind American. And for the record, the USA was severely retrained and prevented by the p u s s y- footing UN from bombing key serb offensive positions around Srebrinica before the slaughter. And where were the enormously wealthy muslim countries to help? Beside a couple 5 thousand death-worshipping fanatic jihadis, there WAS NO MUSLIM RESPONSE, was there?
None of this should at all suggest I endorse Serb aggression;i don't, i abhor it. But I am sick of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" options muslims leave "the west" with. It is your problem, fix it!

And I suppose US action in Kosovo was "an anti-muslim atrocity"? Grow up.

PS-- My Bosnian muslim friends will laugh at your

Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

next time we are out heavily boozing together!

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Islam is good for Bosnia, whether it's wahhabi or sufi or whatever.

You mean to say, "Islam is good for Bosnia insofar as it meets my selfish interests..."
Bosnian islam is very secular and has a tolerant flavour to it. You wish to make them "more pious" to suit your expansionism, eh?

 

[north_malaysian]

Bosnia is considered European, but Bosnia's futute is not in Europe but within a united Islamic caliphate. Honestly there are problems with Muslims from Bosnia as there are from other countries. Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in my view do not practice Islam that was practiced by the Sahabba or even to to what mainstream sunni states is Islam. Even though most Bosniaks are sunni they are increasingly secular from my experiences and that is unfortunate. In my view many Muslims around the world today are not practising Islam as the Sahabba and the Prophet Muhammad sallahu alahiwa salaam. If we were Islam would be dominate force in the world but rather Muslims are being humiliated. Until Muslims unite under one common banner then none of us can state that we practice Islam properly. Bosnaiks, Chechens and others honestly do not have a strong knowledge base of Islam, all they may know is La Illaha Illallah Muhmmadur Rasullah. Authentic knowledge is important to convey in Bosnia and Muslims from Saudi can and shoul do it. there is only one form of Islam that will be accepted at the is Islam that Prophet and his Sahaaba were on. That is the Islam that needs to be conveyed in Bosnia and elsewhere not wahabbism, sunniam, shiaism, sufism, or whatever the Islam of the Prophet is our solution.

Is it tru that, Bosniak, Chechens and Kosovars start reverting back to Islam after the civil wars?

 

[north_malaysian]

Bosnians say that they are not slavs.

Which bosniaks? So who the hell they should be? illyrians? turks? or Arabs?

 

[north_malaysian]

It must not also be forgotten that this Europe you speak of allowed Muslims to be slaughtered in Srebrenica. This Europe turned its back on Bosnia and Saudi's rushed to support the Muslims of Bosnia while the west looked on, as the UN enforced an illegal arms embargo, while the US sold weapons to all sides. Bosnian Muslims have the God given right to speak against the west for their crimes against us. The west is treacherous.

NATO did attack Serbia and Montenegto not OIC!!!

 

[Genius]

PS-- My Bosnian muslim friends will laugh at your

next time we are out heavily boozing together!

Do you really have friends? Really?

Name one.

You mean to say, "Islam is good for Bosnia insofar as it meets my selfish interests..."
Bosnian islam is very secular and has a tolerant flavour to it. You wish to make them "more pious" to suit your expansionism, eh?

Me pious? LOL! you don't know me.......

Seriously what are you atheist or something? Don't you believe theres nothing after death? Shouldn't be spending your time more productively, Instead of an Islamic forum. Shouldn't you be out with your 'friends' living life to the full.

 

[jinn & juice]

...next time we are out heavily boozing together!

I'd pound a few cold ones down with you anytime. :hiding:

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Do you really have friends? Really?
No, just people I have around or employ for my own good.Duh.:hiding:

Name one.
Shoba. Mladen. There are two. I won't list their last names or you might find them and scold them for not being real muslims. But we will toast to you next time we drink, prob. Sat. night. I'll hoist some vodka in your name, you Mr. Misnomer Genius

Me pious? LOL! you don't know me.......

I do too! I have spies watching you. :giggling:

Seriously what are you atheist or something?

no

Don't you believe theres nothing after death?

don't know/none of your business (How could one know?)

Shouldn't be spending your time more productively, Instead of an Islamic forum.

I pack a lot into my day. No day of mine is complete, though, without hearing what you have to say. You are really special, Tyler Durden wannabe!

 

[vpb]

please do not talk when u have not been there.

damned if you don't" options muslims leave "the west" with. It is your problem, fix it!

Knut, back in the time when yugoslavia was in the hands of Marshall Tito, people in yugoslavia could go anywhere they wanted, not even people in european countries did have better standards then people in yugoslavia, but then suddenlly , probably some CIA mission was achieved, no more soviet union, didn't need yugoslavia (ballkan) anymore,and everything started going down, and they got to that position that people in ballkan countries have to get a visa just to for a visit to anohter country.

there are telling that right now in some villages in Albania , christians missionaries are paying money to poor families to convert to christianity, I dont know if it is true, but it looks like and same think is happening in Kosovo and maybe Bosnia, where christian propaganda is very high, where a professor goes in the university and as an literature he gives to every student a bible, (majority of students are muslims)....

and after the war they are trying to equalize the serbian commandants and those kosovar&bosnian...but u can ask William Walker that was the chief of OSBE mission in Kosovo during the war, when he went to the massacre of Recak, he started crying, and after 2 weeks maybe, they changed him, why? nobody knows

but I hope it will get better.

Selam

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Hello vpd,

please do not talk when u have not been there.

I've been to Bosnia, but not Albania or Kosovo. But I don't think I'm some Bosnia expert, either. I just think that blaming Europe for not interceeding when the most often spouted muslim complaint against "the west" is reguarding "its meddling in muslim affairs/lands" is tiresome and a double standard. That is all. And I have a lot of sympathy for Bosnians affected by the war. I really do.

And I agree that Tito did some good things insofar as unifying a diverse people into Yugoslavia. But I will respectfully disagree with your summary of Yugoslavia's demise; I have been told and have read differently than your account (that doesn't make it true, neccesarily ) And another thing: I have ZERO SYMPATHY for any bible/koran thumping missionaries, hence my agreement with your alarm at the christian one's you mention, and the Saudi ones I was ranting about. It just isn't any of their business what people in Bosnia, recovering from the horrors of a long war, do for worship, in my opinion. Be well, my friend.

 

[snakelegs]

The attachment shows the growing concern for Middle Eastern influence in Bosnia. The Saudi view of Islam is increasingly popular for Bosnian Muslims, who in previous years did not adopt such behaviors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgMKQeecLV0&eurl=


Any opinions from those who feel that western societies should not influence the Middle East? It looks like the influence of East and West is mutual.

from what i've read, saudi oil money has led to saudi influence all over the world. they have given money for schools and mosques all over the world.
so you make a good point.