Minaret Debate Moves to Germany

_muslim_ said:
What are you referring to? What are the concerns? I don't see any problem with building a mosque near the cathernal.
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There are some Christians- conservatives I believe they're called- that think building a mosque near a cathedral is inflammatory. Now, I personally thing building a mosque in a church is inflammatory (Hagia Sophia anyone?), but there's nothing wrong with building them near each other. In fact, it is a good example of community cohesion, and could lead to interfaith dialogues, with Christians being invited to witness Islamic worship and vice versa.
 
Supreme said:
(Hagia Sophia anyone?), .
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This church was built as a mosque in the 12th and 13th centuries. After the Christinas captured Mertola, Portugal, it was turned into a church.


anyone..




Muslim architecture of the Mezquita.


The «(Great) Mezquita (of Córdoba or Cordova)» is a Roman Catholic Cathedral originally built as a Mosque



anyone..


I mean the list is endless.. so pls don't go that route..


also there is no room for integration of Muslims and kaffirs in Europe .. why not work on integrating the Hasidic community see if you have better luck there?



funny stuff!
 
Supreme said:
There are some Christians- conservatives I believe they're called- that think building a mosque near a cathedral is inflammatory. Now, I personally thing building a mosque in a church is inflammatory (Hagia Sophia anyone?), but there's nothing wrong with building them near each other. In fact, it is a good example of community cohesion, and could lead to interfaith dialogues, with Christians being invited to witness Islamic worship and vice versa.
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It's not an example of community cohesion if people don't want it. That would be considered community cohesion forced upon the community. The residents of Köln however do support the mosque up to 60% according to certain polls.
 
Froggy said:
The mosque was built upon the foundations of an early church and used its rocks. It's a triple transformation, makes it even more fascinating.
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is it even more fascinating?

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDxeM7n_ci0[/MEDIA]
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There is nothing worng with churches being turned into mosques or mosques into churches.
 
Gossamer skye said:
This church was built as a mosque in the 12th and 13th centuries. After the Christinas captured Mertola, Portugal, it was turned into a church.


anyone..




Muslim architecture of the Mezquita.


The «(Great) Mezquita (of Córdoba or Cordova)» is a Roman Catholic Cathedral originally built as a Mosque



anyone..


I mean the list is endless.. so pls don't go that route..


also there is no room for integration of Muslims and kaffirs in Europe .. why not work on integrating the Hasidic community see if you have better luck there?



funny stuff!
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No one is going down that route Gossamer- please don't look too much into my posts and feel you have to respond to bracketed words with a long post trying to create an argument I wasn't having before.

It's not an example of community cohesion if people don't want it. That would be considered community cohesion forced upon the community. The residents of Köln however do support the mosque up to 60% according to certain polls.
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Demonstrably, people do want it.

Problem?
 
Supreme said:
No one is going down that route Gossamer- please don't look too much into my posts and feel you have to respond to bracketed words with a long post trying to create an argument I wasn't having before.

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I can be cool with that, however why mention it if it didn't hold any significance and was just a passing fancy type thing?

all the best
 
Supreme said:
Demonstrably, people do want it.

Problem?
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The problem as I said before is symbolic. The biggest mosque in Germany is being constructed in Köln, a city with European largest cathedral and only second or third in Germany according to number of Muslims. Some people believe the choice of Köln is no coincidence..
Is it even about people supporting it, froma liberal point of view?
Do Londoners support the giant mosque next to the Olympic complex, do you support it?
 
_muslim_ said:
Please elaborate.

Edit: I'd love to see some facts of this attempt.
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Well, young British born Muslims went to blow themselves in London. Thets one indication it didn't work. And I even hear Muslim-only areas are arising in Britain, Islamic preachers preach hate in mosques, and the very fgact that a heavy religious immigrant stays heavily religious and live in their own society or ghettos is an indication integration didn't work quite fully.
 
Gossamer skye said:
I can be cool with that, however why mention it if it didn't hold any significance and was just a passing fancy type thing?

all the best
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It didn't hold any real significance- hence why it was in brackets- I was merely giving an example. In history, my teacher always taught me to give examples to back up my point.

The problem as I said before is symbolic. The biggest mosque in Germany is being constructed in Köln, a city with European largest cathedral and only second or third in Germany according to number of Muslims. Some people believe the choice of Köln is no coincidence..
Is it even about people supporting it, froma liberal point of view?
Do Londoners support the giant mosque next to the Olympic complex, do you support it?
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It's not really about public opinion- it's about a bunch of people with enough money and incentive to construct a religious building in a secular country that allows them to do so.

I don't really support the megamosque, partially because I believe Muslims have enough places of worship and I don't think it is necessary exactly. However, it is their right as a religious community to build it, and as long as they cough up the cash, why not? It's actually an expansion on a present mosque in the site already, although last I heard on the megamosque, the council were scrapping its planning permission.
 
I might get flack for this, but I believe that if the country is not predominantly muslim, a minaret being a problem is not surprising. Its not a big deal for one to be in say, Prizren Kosovo where everyone is pretty much muslim, but in a town in America or Germany it is a problem for the non muslims. We can expect as much. Im not saying its ok but I understand why the non muslims feel that way. If the Jewish synagogue down the road from my neighborhood said their prayers on loud speaker for me to hear, well I wouldnt be happy so I cant be hypocritical about this issue.
 
Froggy said:
Well, young British born Muslims went to blow themselves in London. Thets one indication it didn't work.
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Thanks for mentioning that. Actually it's the opposite, if they would have been educated with regards to their religion then that could've been avoided. (Do I need to give you the fatwa on this matter? I assume you know Islam strictly forbits suicide.)

And I even hear Muslim-only areas are arising in Britain, Islamic preachers preach hate in mosques, and the very fgact that a heavy religious immigrant stays heavily religious and live in their own society or ghettos is an indication integration didn't work quite fully.
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It seems to me that you only confirmed Supreme's proposal.
 
_muslim_ said:
Please stop wandering around and answer the question. What is the problem exactly?
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The problem for these European states is the subset of muslims who are more devoted to their religion than to their state. Should the two conflict....
 
Pygoscelis said:
The problem for these European states is the subset of muslims who are more devoted to their religion than to their state. Should the two conflict....
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State is important, but God is and should be always more important than state/country. Treating state higher than God is idolatry.

Of course it doesn't mean that state is not important at all, It's very important, but we should know the correct hierarchy.

God, family, nation.
 
Pygoscelis said:
The problem for these European states is the subset of muslims who are more devoted to their religion than to their state. Should the two conflict....
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...they might build a minaret?

The horror. The horror.
 

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