Miracles & Science

[أحمد]

:-[ Is it possible to prove miracles scientifically, even though the matter is of suspending of the laws of nature?

The Best example of a miracle I can think of; that I think maybe proveable scientifically is the Quran, because; firstly you look at its perfection. It is beyond anything of what the capacity of the Human Brain can imitate let alone produce something in the likeness. The other thing is the protection prophecy in the Quran Surah al-Furqan 25: verse 9. The Quran remains protected even this very day; after fourteen centuries.

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[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Miracles, by definition, are breaks in scientific laws. Things which cannot be explained by our scientific understanding, or more specifically, things which CONTRADICT established scientifc laws.

Nevertheless, we can use science to analyze WHERE and HOW the miracle took place. But to be a miracle, it must be beyond scientific explanation.

For example, all that masajid were left standing after the tsunami, while everything else was destroyed. Even some rickety wooden masajid that were so poorly built. How can we explain this? It is beyond our scientific understanding.

Howevre, we can use science to undertstand the nature of the miracle by investigating the force of the tsunami, the durability of materials in the masajid, etc. This helps us understand what is so miraculous about the miracle.

:W:

 

[Uthman]

About the miracle of the Qur'an, how is this scientifically proven? A miracle it certainly is but how can science prove it?

 

[Chuck]

About the miracle of the Qur'an, how is this scientifically proven? A miracle it certainly is but how can science prove it?

Only by irrefutable observation.

 

[yoshiyahu]

:-[ Is it possible to prove miracles scientifically, even though the matter is of suspending of the laws of nature?

Right now it is most likely not possible. Yes, I believe that miracles could perhaps be explained scientifically, but only when G-d grants us such knowledge.

The Quran remains protected even this very day; after fourteen centuries.

And the Torah does as well

That brings up another thought. Could the continued existance of Jews, Christians, and Muslims - despite all the forces that have attempted to obliterate them (The Romans used to feed Christians & Jews to the Lions, the Holocaust, etc.) - have survived since their inception. Could this be a proof of G-d?

 

[yoshiyahu]

Miracles, by definition, are breaks in scientific laws. Things which cannot be explained by our scientific understanding, or more specifically, things which CONTRADICT established scientifc laws.

I would tend to disagree, though slightly.

In my view, Miracles are things that seem to break the natural laws; However, they are simply so advanced that we cannot possibly understand them. If someone would to attempt to explain it to us, it would be like us trying to explain Calculus to a person from 3000 years ago.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

That brings up another thought. Could the continued existance of Jews, Christians, and Muslims - despite all the forces that have attempted to obliterate them (The Romans used to feed Christians & Jews to the Lions, the Holocaust, etc.) - have survived since their inception. Could this be a proof of G-d?

That's an interesting idea, yoshiyahu. It is similar to an argument that I have used. If we examine civilizations throughout History we will find that no matter how isolated they are chronologically or geographically, there has always been a dominant belief in God. What's even more amazing is that even in the polytheistic civilizations, there is still ONE God in supreme control. eg. Zeus for the Greeks

This confirms the Islamic belief that God has sent Prophets to humanity to constantly bring them on the right track after deviation.

 

[Chuck]

That brings up another thought. Could the continued existance of Jews, Christians, and Muslims - despite all the forces that have attempted to obliterate them (The Romans used to feed Christians & Jews to the Lions, the Holocaust, etc.) - have survived since their inception. Could this be a proof of G-d?

Well, IMO, the best proof is that Vedas, Torah, Bible, and Quran have similar concepts for example, afterlife, heaven, and hell. Check out Dr. Naik's commentary on this.

 

[Eddi]

a very nice dialogue. keep it running.

 

[root]

I don't think stating a Miracle being "beyond Scientific proof" or beyond the laws of nature. In fact even miracles cannot break natural laws.

I personally consider a mathmatical inprobability, as a "Miracle", explained by the concept that God works in mysterious ways. Miracles cannot break natural laws, but can seem to be within a Chaotic arena of life. A game of chance..............

 

[أحمد]

:zip: I was actually under the impression that the definition of the word miracle is: something that breaks the laws of nature. Alhamdulillah, now here comes a contradiction to that definition. This should be interesting . . . Insha-Allah . . .

 

[أحمد]

:applaud: Jazak-Allah brother. Now that's some solid evidence for miracles . . . Alhamdulillah . . . :shade:

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Sorry I missed this post.

I would tend to disagree, though slightly.

In my view, Miracles are things that seem to break the natural laws; However, they are simply so advanced that we cannot possibly understand them. If someone would to attempt to explain it to us, it would be like us trying to explain Calculus to a person from 3000 years ago.

I'm not sure how this claim works. To say that miracles are only beyond our understanding is to say that historical miracles will eventually not be miraculous.

eg. Prophet Moses split the sea with his stick. If we find out that this stick was made of a special element that reacts with the water in this manner, then it is no longer a miracle.

In fact even miracles cannot break scientific laws

God created the laws which govern the universe. These scientific laws were created to give predictability to the regular functions of the universe. But God is not bound by His own laws. He demonstrates His power and the Truth to us by reversing the laws of science. That is known as a miracle.

If you say that a miracle is just a high improbability, you have removed the divine nature of that miracle. In other words, you believe that it is possible for it to hapen without God.

Then it is no longer within the religious concept of miracles.

 

[h1jabi_sista]

i would highly recommend harun yayha's books on mircles. :thumbs_up

mashallah he explains it sooo well with facts, proofs and evidence relating with science.

 

[Chuck]

I'm not sure how this claim works. To say that miracles are only beyond our understanding is to say that historical miracles will eventually not be miraculous.

eg. Prophet Moses split the sea with his stick. If we find out that this stick was made of a special element that reacts with the water in this manner, then it is no longer a miracle.

Miracles could be both, thus may have a wider definition. Some could be time or civilization dependent other could be independent. Or they could lead to more discoveries, for example, Prophet Solomon’s (pbuh) use of wind for travel, these days jets use wind too for propulsion. However, Moses stick turning into python and Jesus raising the dead, will stay as time independent Miracles.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I agree with your point. Some can be further understood with science.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

i would highly recommend harun yayha's books on mircles. :thumbs_up

mashallah he explains it sooo well with facts, proofs and evidence relating with science.

Which one?

I searched here:
http://harunyahya.com/m_book_index.php

But I couldn't find it.

 

[Eddi]

I Need Rep Power, Can't Give Out Any Points At The Moment!

 

[أحمد]

And I've donated you 30; now that should make some difference Insha-Allah . . . :shade:

 

[أحمد]

Anyway; back to the topic . . . Insha-Allah . . .

There are many different views on miracles; where, when, why, how and what happens (nature of a miracle). A miracle is an act of intervention of God; when he intervene's in his creation. Now that's a standard definition used today along with: an act of suspending the laws of nature; to cause an unusuall activity, which cannot be explained by means of scientific knowledge, therefore it it beyond the grasp of science.

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