Misunderstanding About Islam

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wilberhum said:
Just more "every thing is someone else's fault". It must be nice to belong to a group that never takes responsibility for anything bad.
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It's only the Hindus who think that way thats why they blame Muslims for everything. They call the Muslim freedom fighters as terrorists and call the Indian military as a victim who enterd into Kashmir and kills the Kashmiri Muslims in their homes.

You're repeating your blame on Muslims in each of your posts, but never answer my question regarding why Indian leadership avoids the political solution of Kashmir dispute. Why Hindus who believe in their side of the story don't ask their leadership to tell that story and win the case? The simple answer is that you know that's a fake story which could fool nobody but Hindus.

Pakistan's case on Kashmir is so strong that even a non-political leader (like Musharraf) could win it easily on the table even if the dialogue are held in India. This is an open challenge. Go ask your leadership to face the facts instead of listening to their blanket excuses.
 
There is definitely a lot of one sided finger pointing going on. It seems like certain actions are defended on this forum as long as they are perpetrated by a certain group. I dont think I have ever agreed as much with Agnostics and Atheists as I do here (:D ).
 
It's only the Hindus who think that way thats why they blame Muslims for everything.
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It is always good to see someone with an open mind. It's only the Hindus because all Muslims are good. Right?
 
wilberhum said:
It is always good to see someone with an open mind. It's only the Hindus because all Muslims are good. Right?
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All Muslims may not be good. But on the Kashmir issue they're right at least. If Hindus are right, then they should prove it. They've been invited on the table to prove the Muslims wrong on this issue many times. They never did.
 
iqbal_soofi said:
All Muslims may not be good. But on the Kashmir issue they're right at least. If Hindus are right, then they should prove it. They've been invited on the table to prove the Muslims wrong on this issue many times. They never did.
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My understanding, which may be wrong, is that Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time. It is a area that has many people that want to seperate. Is this correct?
 
My understanding, which may be wrong, is that Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time. It is a area that has many people that want to seperate. Is this correct?
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Kashmir was STOLEN by India forcefully since 1947. Ever since they have been brutally slaughtering any Muslims who try to resist them. They have imprisoned Muslim leaders and accused anyone who resists their repression as being "terrorists". Mainstream Indian political parties like BJP are not interested in "secularism", they want to transform India into a Hindu state. They faciliated the martyrdom of Babri Masjid (shaheed) back in 1992, and ever since the so called secular, democratic India has failed to restore the Masjid. The BJP habitually starts communal riots, like the one in Gujarat in 2002 which saw the massacre of thousands of Muslim men, women, children, and elderly. This is the reality the persecuted Muslim community faces daily in India. The real terrorists are Hindus, they seem to have an unquenching thirst for the blood of Muslims.
 
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ACC said:
My understanding, which may be wrong, is that Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time. It is a area that has many people that want to seperate. Is this correct?
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It's not only Kashmir, but also Pakistan was a part of India for a long time in the time of Muslim rulers which continued in the British rule. Then due to many reasons Muslims decided to separate from India. It was agreed that Muslim majority areas would go to Pakistan. Kashmir is a Muslim majority area which was occupied by India by force. Kashmiris are struggling to get out of Indian occupation since then. Pakistan and India have fought many wars on this dispute. India promised to hold a plebicite in Kashmir under the supervision of UNO when in 1948 it faced a defeat from Pakistani and Kashmiri forces. After that it's been delaying the political solution. It's depolyed the bigged army in Kashmir to supress their freedom. Millions of Kashmir Muslims have been killed by the Indian army. It's the Indians who termed the Kashmiri freedom fighters as terrorists.
 
:sl: and Greetings,

We have plenty of threads already on the topic of Kashmir in the World Affairs section. If this thread is not headed for a productive course then it may as well be closed.

I would also like to clarify that we do not defend unislamic actions pertaining to violence and injustice. An action is wrong regardless of who the perpetrator happens to be.
 
Muhammad said:
:sl: and Greetings,

We have plenty of threads already on the topic of Kashmir in the World Affairs section. If this thread is not headed for a productive course then it may as well be closed.

I would also like to clarify that we do not defend unislamic actions pertaining to violence and injustice. An action is wrong regardless of who the perpetrator happens to be.
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I am not sure you can use the word, 'We', in this situation. You may not, but it appears that some have.
 
Millions of Kashmir Muslims have been killed by the Indian army.
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And Millions of Kashmir Indians have been killed by Muslims.
It's the Indians who termed the Kashmiri freedom fighters as terrorists.
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The Indians and the rest of the non-Muslim world. Oh, I forgot, they can't be terrorists, there Muslims.
 
wilberhum said:
Just more, We are right, everyone else is wrong.

Why don't Muslims "Prove It"? Oh I forgot, Muslims are always right.
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Muslims already proved it when they got Pakistan on table. They want to prove it also for Kashmir. If you want to prove them wrong then don't tell your leadership to run away from the table. Nobody but you proved yourself wrong with this kind of behaviour.
 
Greetings,

ACC said:
I am not sure you can use the word, 'We', in this situation. You may not, but it appears that some have.
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Yes, few members may have done when they shouldn't have. But we as a forum do not accept this.
 
Muslims already proved it
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That must have happened when the world wasn't watching.

Anyway, you have the right to live in your little world where every thing you like is perfect and everything you don't like is wrong.

I won't burst your bubble.

BY, by :D
 
wilberhum said:
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That must have happened when the world wasn't watching.

Anyway, you have the right to live in your little world where every thing you like is perfect and everything you don't like is wrong.

I won't burst your bubble.

BY, by :D
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Do you mean to say that the world was sleeping during the liberation movement of India? Do you think the world will not be watching when Indian and Pak leadership discuss the issue of Kashmir on table and you fear that Pakistan will snatch Kashmir from the hands of Indian leadership even if these are held in India?

What kind of big world you live where everything you grab by force or cheating is perfect and everything others take from you through political dialogue by proving that belonged to them is wrong.
 
Keltoi said:
This article is good at representing a particular world view, but doesn't really face the realities of the situation. I found it very disingenious that the article mentioned a terrorist act committed by a Jewish settler, but not the opposite side of the coin. Muslims aren't the only "victims" in the world and have in fact created as many victims as they have produced, IMO. Of course many Muslims are being victimized globally, just as many Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and athiests are being victimized. This article devotes one sentence to the violent acts of Muslims, referring to them as "fringe groups". While I don't have a problem with that assumption, I think the article is a little less than honest about the complexity of the situation overall.
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i agree with this - it was over-simplified and one-sided.
 
snakelegs said:
i agree with this - it was over-simplified and one-sided.
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I also think it is one sided and simplified like most of the articles are supposed to be. It's posted here by somebody for debate. Members with a different view point can post their opion and their views about the same issue. This would give us more opportunity to learn from many angles. Moreover, members will be able to know about many other issues while discussing one topic. For example many members might have learnt something about the Kashmir issue and Hindu attitude towards Muslims in the sub-continent during the same thread. We can learn about a lot of more issues during a debate on any one issue.
 

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