Mocking the Prophet, How Should We React?

[PurpleCup]

This is a good question. One is which I will reply based on how we should react when someone like Christians approach us to try to get us to leave Islam for their religion. This topic came up one time where I would be approached by Christian. My husband said I should act annoyed and ask them to leave. Because they did not approach me but with politness, I find it hard to act annoyed. He said I should be insulted when they want to tell me my religion is wrong. That then prompted me to ask a question on linkedin about how they felt we should react when someone tries to debate our religion. Many felt that we should be kind and gently debate with them.
I do not feel I am skilled to debate about religions because I was not raised with any religion. I know nothing about Christianity, except the basics. I could never debate.

I would never become out right crazy just because someone wanted to talk religion. I would insulted if someone wanted to discriminate because I am Muslimah. Which did happen to me at a Motel 6 in Bakersfield CA. Of which I contacted the Mayor, the BBB, The Press, a lawyer, CEO of Motel 6, Customer Relations and so forth. That was something in which I took insult to. I would also feel insult if someone starts to talk rubbish of Islam.

I never watched that video clip. I will never. I do not want to partake in anything which would insult my brothers and sisters in faith.

I do feel however I am proud of the Muslims for taking a serious stance on the subject. I respect when countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan threaten Google to remove the video or else their channel will be blocked. Makes me want to give them a standing ovation. It's a peaceful protest but oh so powerful one.

 

[StopS]

Are you kidding me? Bro, I'm sure your not incapable of understanding the language I'm using so please don't get into petty arguments about the words 'invalid scientific fact'. I'm sure this statement makes sense in the way it was said.

And I do encourage you to prove to me that it is scientifically inaccurate. I do not accept disguised facts that are actually personal and uninformed opinions.

Well, it's quite simple, really.

A fact is something which has been shown to be correct and proven in reality.

fact (f

kt)n.1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2. a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.

4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Secondly, in science, the highest form of describing our natural world is a theory, which is based on facts. (for definition, see above)



Thirdly, something which is invalid is something which is not true, applicable or factual.

in·val·id[SUP] 2[/SUP] (

n-v

l

d)adj.1. Not legally or factually valid; null: an invalid license.

2. Falsely based or reasoned; faulty: an invalid argument.

So you have created an oxymoron in every way, a contradiction in itself.

Could you please state how your 'invalid scientific fact' makes any sense?

 

[جوري]

the highest form of describing our natural world is a theory, which is based on facts

So you have created an oxymoron in every way, a contradiction in itself.

lol.. that's funny..
perhaps you should do some research before accusing others of exactly what ails you:

theory: A tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena

 

[جوري]

must regard the greatness of Muhammad

list of quotes by people who conspicuously did not convert to Islam?

was wondering how you reconcile that comment with this comment:

It's also easy to answer: there are lots of examples of people who love people they've never met. Think of people who have a favourite footballer or a hero of some kind.

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...ople-who-believe-god-why-do-you-love-god.html

It's best to keep track of everything you write, so when you change convictions you don't leave evidence behind.

best,

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

was wondering how you reconcile that comment with this comment:



http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...ople-who-believe-god-why-do-you-love-god.html

It's best to keep track of everything you write, so when you change convictions you don't leave evidence behind.

best,

What are you getting at? You may imagine there's a contradiction there, but I don't see it. Maybe your point would be clearer if you quoted complete sentences.

Peace

 

[جوري]

You couldn't follow that when you're the paragon of niggling? Which part was difficult for you to understand?
In one post you proudly point out that none of those figures quoted embraced Islam with the natural conclusion that admiration, love or praise can only be sincere if the person is to adopt completely the life and lifestyle choices of he who's being admired and on your previous you claim that it's a nonquestion to presume that one can't love nor admire someone they'd never seen or met!
But then you already knew what I was driving at or are you as always looking for a stylish exit from what I am to write?
At any rate it won't take others long to figure out your style which you believe you hide well behind overblown erudition!


Best

 

[Independent]

In another twist to this story a Pakistan Government Minister, Ghulam Ahmad Bilour, has placed a bounty on the head of the alleged American film-maker. He is offering $100,000 for his murder. This is reminiscent of the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwah on the author Salman Rushdie. The Pakistan Prime Minister has dissociated his Government from the bounty but - extraordinarily - he claims he can't control Bilour (who is in a coalition party). Difficult to believe.

Bilour is the Pakistan Minister for Railways.

 

[جوري]

in an even more incredible twist. France is prohibiting Muslim's rights to free speech by banning protests:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/film-protests-france-idINL5E8KLI5W20120921

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

But then you already knew what I was driving at or are you as always looking for a stylish exit from what I am to write?

You are welcome to think whatever you like.

Peace

 

[Independent]

in an even more incredible twist. France is prohibiting Muslim's rights to free speech by banning protests:

Although, I notice within the link you have posted that the head of the French Muslim Council agrees with this decision:

'Mohammed Moussaoui, head of the French Muslim Council, described both the film and the cartoons as "acts of aggression" but urged French Muslims not to protest in the streets.


"I repeat the council's call not to protest. Any protest could be hijacked and counterproductive," he told radio RFI.

 

[جوري]

any person who follows your posts will draw the same conclusion.
I don't think much of what you write otherwise and I certainly don't lose sleep over it.


best,

 

[جوري]

"I repeat the council's call not to protest. .

Point being? This isn't about whether or not a protest is what Muslims should do. It is about western hypocrisy!
They rant about free speech and in the same breath they'd deny others that very same right.

If you can't see something wrong with this and I am seeing a laundry list of excuses, then there's something seriously wrong with you, and I don't see a point in continuing this dialogue as it seems more of a one group soliloquy and a deflection!

best,

 

[Independent]

Point being?

Point being, of course, that you need to read your own links a little more closely before you post them, in case they make the opposite argument. But I sympathise. It's easy to make mistake.

 

[Aprender]

But I sympathise. It's easy to make mistake.

You are very close minded. I'm waiting to read a post by you that shows you are open to discussion and listening to other perspectives. Quite frankly, I'm not sure why you post on this forum. You seem to be only here to push off your own world views without trying to learn something new and take other ideas into consideration. Your perspective is only one of many.

I think you missed something here. The point of that article was not to show that some Muslims believe that they shouldn't protest the cartoons to begin with. The point was that Western countries love to talk about the right of freedom of speech and expression, yet ban Muslims in France from protesting the offensive cartoons, even if peacefully. I don't think he necessarily agreed with the ban but talked about how it could be counterproductive with all things considered. It's hypocritical to put a ban on something like this if a nation prides itself on upholding freedom of speech and expression but doesn't apply it to certain groups.

 

[جوري]

Point being, of course, that you need to read your own links a little more closely before you post them, in case they make the opposite argument. But I sympathise. It's easy to make mistake.

Please don't confabulate when you end up with a foot in your mouth- it is a waste of your time and worse yet a waste of mine!

 

[Independent]

I think you missed something here

There is a serious point here, which is that although freedom of speech (and freedom to protest) is a vital right, it cannot be at the cost of life. Many people have already died around the world in protests, sometimes killed by their own side. Both the French Government and the French Muslim leaders seem to believe that, for the moment at least, it's not safe to organise mass protests. If the Muslim leader had disgreed, then you would have a point.

 

[جوري]

There is a serious point here, which is that although freedom of speech (and freedom to protest) is a vital right, it cannot be at the cost of life. Many people have already died around the world in protests, sometimes killed by their own side. Both the French Government and the French Muslim leaders seem to believe that, for the moment at least, it's not safe to organise mass protests. If the Muslim leader had disgreed, then you would have a point.

There are no Muslim 'leaders' in the west, someone who gives a sermon advising against a protest isn't a sovereign over what the people are going to do or should do. Stop it, stop the BS, I am sick of it. furthermore, what exactly is the end result of hate crimes and hate speech? You don't have western morons motivated by hate of the crap they see and believe and start pillaging, raping, urinating on the dead and stealing their body parts while droning or physically killing women and children in the night something serious to consider?
Get your head out of there!

best,

 

[~Zaria~]

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[StopS]

ok I give up

 

[Scimitar]

Why? Please entertain us a little more