Moderate Muslims Speaking Out

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amani said:
nope being a friday muslim doesnt work
islam is a whole way of life not left only for the holy day..but im sure you know this already :thumbs_up
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Well yes, but the vast majority of Muslims, from what I can see, do seem happy enough without living the entire way of life. After all it is the way that the vast majority of Muslims have lived for the last 1400 years. It is theoretically inane and unjustifiable, but it is what people do.

modernity is not always bad...nor is western. it again depends what you mean. if you mean western values *feedom* etc then thats a total different matter
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Freedom? Hmm. Surely if Islam has said something on an issue there is no question of any modernity or Western values?
 
again would would you classify as modernity?

theres no modern islam

but there is modernity in the sense of technology society etc.

so things like this does go well with islam. take the internet for example....electricity. isnt this *modern* tech..this is what i mean...el
 
HeiGou said:
Well you're more than a celevritym you are a legend! Even in threads you do not start we all can't help thinking about you (in an entirely positive way of course). Myself I am President of the Fight&Die4Allah fan club. In fact we are starting to verge on cyber-stalking. It is a little long to type out all the time - would F&D4A do?
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peace,

now your taking the piss....:)
 
amani said:
again would would you classify as modernity?

theres no modern islam

but there is modernity in the sense of technology society etc.

so things like this does go well with islam. take the internet for example....electricity. isnt this *modern* tech..this is what i mean...el
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Well I agree with that. But there are definite modern schools of thought too. Take kingship. Eurpean thought has rejected monarchy in favor of Republics and so the only places that remain Monarchies are those that have not had major political change recently. If they did, the monarchy would surely be abolished. And this goes back to 1789 in the West, although it has only been a strong trend since 1919. It is not surprising that in recent times Muslims have also found that monarchy is un-Islamic and so there has been a strong trend towards "Islamic Republicanism". Now maybe the two don't have any thing whatsoever to do with each other. Maybe it is the force of the modern world that works on all societies individually. But can you tell me any Muslim between the death of Ali and, say, 1800 who thought that monarchy was not Islamic?
 
amani said:
and by questioning the teachings of the Quran she is not a muslim and is cursed in this world and the hereafter
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Hmm. Honest question here, not intended to be flamebait.

Can you elaborate as to how you see that to be the case? I would think that critically thinking about what is stated by Allah (SWT) would be a desired action, rather than haraam. God has given us minds to think and to reason with. Should we not use them to consider what we are told, and why it is so?

Please note, I'm interpreting "questioning" as "re-considering what is meant by X", rather than "doubting" or "rejecting." To clarify, I'm seeing the original statements by Sultan as an intention to go over the Holy Quran and consider its statements without the lens of traditional thought, as it were. If my interpretation is in error, and Sultan's statements were more along the lines of "Let's ignore what is said in the Quran", then clearly that's wrong.
 
look uh ...I feel sorry for her.I just don't take her seriously and her allegations.
 
Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace
 
mizan_aliashraf said:
Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace
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Exactly. Agree with you 100% there bro.
 
mizan_aliashraf said:
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
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Surely there is another category too - the extremists who have gone so far in their extremism they are not part of the community any more. The Kharijis would not accept the authority of Ali or Muawiya. Did they remain Muslims? Surely you can accept that some Muslims, and I shall name no names for fear of the thread being closed, can adopt such an odd interpretation of Islam they are not members of the community anymore without actually committing shirk?

But I agree there seems to be no middle ground.
 
Abrar said:
look uh ...I feel sorry for her.I just don't take her seriously and her allegations.
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By all means don't take her seriously, but how can you not take even one of her allegations seriously? You reject everything she said? Why?
 
i have the video clip to this if anyone is interested in watching, i am not sure if i will be allowed to post it though
 
HeiGou said:
Surely there is another category too - the extremists who have gone so far in their extremism they are not part of the community any more. The Kharijis would not accept the authority of Ali or Muawiya. Did they remain Muslims? Surely you can accept that some Muslims, and I shall name no names for fear of the thread being closed, can adopt such an odd interpretation of Islam they are not members of the community anymore without actually committing shirk?

But I agree there seems to be no middle ground.
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Peace
I do agree with you there. There are muslims who have taken some aspects of islam to the extremes, but at the end of the day they are still our brothers and sisters in faith so we should not go around labelling them as fanatics/extremists/terrorists but instead pray for their guidance. I am saying this as a muslim who has also fallen into this category. i cannot walk down the street without people giving me a second look. I seem to attract too much attention in central london, and for all the wrong reasons. I dont know, maybe its me. Maybe i havent embraced the 21st century as i should have, but who cares?
 
I think it's possible to be a moderate muslim, moderate christian, or moderate anything else you wish to be. Everyone interprets their religion differently. Just because some people choose to interpret their religion different than the majority, does not mean they are not a member of a particular faith.
 
renak said:
I think it's possible to be a moderate muslim, moderate christian, or moderate anything else you wish to be. Everyone interprets their religion differently. Just because some people choose to interpret their religion different than the majority, does not mean they are not a member of a particular faith.
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Its not a question of how you interpret your religion. Being a moderate normally indicates that you just the follow the basic principles of a concept be it a religion or anything for that matter. In islam its not enough to be a part-time muslim. You either are in or out. Its that simple.
 

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