Moderate Muslims Speaking Out

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mizan_aliashraf said:
Its not a question of how you interpret your religion. Being a moderate normally indicates that you just the follow the basic principles of a concept be it a religion or anything for that matter. In islam its not enough to be a part-time muslim. You either are in or out. Its that simple.
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Either in or out? If that were the case, you wouldn't have different Islamic sects.
 
mizan_aliashraf said:
Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace
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It is interesting the use of this word "kafir", I take it to mean "infidel" or "nonbeliever in my faith". This is a type of word that is used in reference from a persons own perspective. From a christians point of view, you would be the kafir.
Christians commonly use the word infidel as well. Again, it would be a matter of one's own perspective.
Peace.
 
Salam
The last thing i want to do is divide the muslims any more than they are already divided, but we should consider ourselves as muslims full stop. Not 'moderates' or 'extremists'. I definitely know what class i would into if it was somebody else classing people
Wassalam
 
mizan_aliashraf said:
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
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Well to carry on a little further, surely you can accept that there is a limited diversity of opinion in the Muslim community that is acceptable? I mean, even in the days of the Rashiddun the Muslims could not agree on who should be Caliph. But that didn't, surely?, mean they ceased to be Muslims just because they supported Ali or Muawiya or someone else? Take the issue that was raised the other day of whether you need your parents' permission to marry. Three schools of Sunni law say you do, one says you do not. Surely all parties are still Muslims? Even within schools, traditionally, you had a range of opinions about what was acceptable or not?

The question is, I would have thought, how far that diversity goes and more importantly, the motivation behind it - if someone comes up with a different opinion, even a very different opinion, based on as genuine attempt to follow God's law, in my opinion for however little it counts, they are better Muslims than someone who comes up with a mildly different opinion based on an effort to please Westerners. Take Ghazali who compared marriage to slavery. Was he a Muslim? I think so. Take some Western-based Muslim scholars who say that the Quran does not allow wife to be beaten? Well the problem is judging intent but I have my own views and luckily I am not a Muslim so I can say that.
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
true^
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Really? What defines this all-or-nothing approach? Does a Muslim cease to be a Muslim because, say, he thinks that the economic benefits from taking very low rates of interest create enough prosperity that the appropriate Islamic response is to allow it?
 
Peace
Interest is FORBIDDEN. there is no way around it. Dont listen to these so-called 'shari'ah compliant' banks. They all give and take interest.
 
HeiGou said:
Really? What defines this all-or-nothing approach? Does a Muslim cease to be a Muslim because, say, he thinks that the economic benefits from taking very low rates of interest create enough prosperity that the appropriate Islamic response is to allow it?
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No, but we don't like the use of 'moderate' or 'extremist'.... we are only Muslims!
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
No, but we don't like the use of 'moderate' or 'extremist'.... we are only Muslims!
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But that in itself is an ideological position. You are making several implicit claims in that statement that may or may not stand up to independent scrutiny. Now someone like me who does not come from the same standpoint as you can see there are differences within and between the Muslim communities. You may not want to distinguish between Muslims, but I need to I am afraid.

Not that the category "Moderate Muslim" looks very large or particularly useful.
 
Every Muslim who follows the Quran and the Sunnah with the understanding of the first 3 generation of Muslims is moderate Muslim.

Islam is the middle way, extremism has no place in it.
 

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